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      • bugbot
        New www.mozilla.org bug 1455199 filed by erenaud@mozilla.com.
      • Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14... Pages & Content, normal, nobody, NEW , [Retention] update /whatsnew mobile CTA version - variation for Indonesia - Rocket
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      • New www.mozilla.org bug 1455208 filed by erenaud@mozilla.com.
      • Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14... Pages & Content, normal, nobody, NEW , [Growth] Test Berlin page vs. /new vs. /new w. Berlin bg and hero image
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      • pascalc
        mmm, we no longer have a Greek homepage on mozilla.org?! https://www.mozilla.org/el/ doesn't seem to exist anymore…
      • CocoMo can you see above ^
      • CocoMo
        pascalc, I will write to the team. They missed the window of translating the new landing page so it is redirected to English.
      • pascalc
        which means that Greeks can't download Firefox in their language, so that's bad, we should have a fallback solution of showing the previous iteration of the page in Greek if the latest version is not translated yet so as to not prevent people from downloading Firefox
      • agibson
        Fwiw, we gave ripple a big window to translate their work. We can’t keep every iteration of the homepage around forever. Most people download from /firefox/new too, rather than the home page.
      • s/ripple/people
      • agibson grumbles about auto correct
      • Also if someone hits download from the home page (any locale), it will still respect their preferred language
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      • pascalc
        agibson, there is no firefox/new either for Greek, so I went with a French build to en-US/firefox/new clicked on download and it is an en-US Firefox that got downloaded
      • maybe there is a bug in the language detection for the download button?
      • agibson
        If I go to https://www.mozilla.org/de/ and click download, I'm redirected to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/... (en-US as my preferred language)
      • tries with some other setting
      • likewise, works as expected if my preferred language is german and I visit /en-US/
      • pascalc
        right but /el/firefox/download/thanks/ doesn't exist
      • agibson
        pascalc: if there is no 'el' translation for /firefox/new/, that's a much bigger issue than the homepage really
      • pascalc fires up curl
      • pascalc: right, they haven't transalted that page
      • pascalc: what you get there depends on the order of your preferred language list
      • pascalc
        yes I know
      • I am just surprised that there is no Greek web content, I also tried Arabic and Hebrew and it is the same
      • agibson
        we can only really activate pages for translations we have
      • if we're missing key translations, I would file a bug in the l10n component
      • pascalc
        note that I wasn't initially interested in our download or home page, I only wanted to copy-paste a Greek string for a bug and thought of going to our home page, then I fell into the rabbit hole :)
      • agibson
        If I hit /el/firefox/new/ with ['de', 'en-US'] as next in my language list, I'm redirected to /de/firefox/new/
      • unless you can provide some more detailed STR for what you think may be a bug, things are working as intended from what I can see
      • of course, if we still had easy to find links to /firefox/all/ this would be less of an issue :/
      • pascalc
      • agibson
        "Accept-Language: el,en-us,en"
      • It's falling back to en-US because that's the next preffered language in your list
      • pascalc
        yes, as a Greek user, I want to download Firefox in Greek, that's the use case
      • agibson
        that's unrelated to anything else here
      • pascalc
        err, I am reporting the bug that Greek users can't download Firefox in Greek, so that's related
      • agibson
        the fact /el/firefox/new/ isn't available has nothing to do with the handling of redirects via accept language
      • it is more a case that page is not marked as available for translation
      • if it was, your curl would work as expected
      • so i don't think there is a bug in the redirect logic
      • pascalc
        I understand all the technical details
      • agibson
        does that make sense?
      • ok
      • so what i would do is file an l10n bug, as previously mentioned
      • pascalc
        I am reporting the fact that users can't download Firefox in their languages for some locales
      • agibson
        ok, I will file the bug
      • pascalc
        thanks, I have my 1-1 now so I couldn't anyway :)
      • agibson
        no worries (if you needed me to do it, I would have been more than happy to - just ask)
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      • bugbot
        New www.mozilla.org bug 1455240 filed by agibson@mozilla.com.
      • Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14... L10N, normal, nobody, NEW , Greek translation of /firefox/new/ is not available
      • agibson
        pascalc: I filed a bug for you and needsinfo'd CocoMo ^
      • flod
        tbh, I don't see a point in filing such bug. It's not the first locale with firefox/new incomplete, it won't be the last
      • the underlying problem needs to be fixed: a) people don't know which language they're downloading b) it's hard to get to other languages
      • bugbot
        Bug 1440488: Pages & Content, normal, nobody, NEW , Improve language selection on www.mozilla.org download page
      • agibson
        yup, it's a much bigger problem we need to fix. But I doubt that's going to get solved quickly unfortunately
      • that bug has some great ideas, but right now they are just ideas - it all needs intake to our planning process
      • hopefully we can get it prioritized soon
      • Until we have the greater problems fixed, trying to make sure we have as many locales active as possible is all we can really do
      • An interim solution could be to just add back the other languages link underneath the download button (like it used to be)
      • But even that isn't a great UX if I'm honest (the /all page really need a UX overhaul)
      • Most people who clicked that link, didn't download anything at all
      • flod: I'll make a note of that link (thanks) and try and get the language selection bug under people's noses again
      • having a list of locales helps
      • flod
        note that we're already having a discussion with UX about it (cherry?)
      • agibson
        yeah, but the last comment mentions some experiments slated for arounf FF 63, which is some way off
      • that's a long time to have all these locales inaccessible?
      • flod
        yeah, and it's also been a long time since they have been
      • agibson
        probably all the more reason to try and get it more attention
      • if we can't get those locales activated, that's all i can really try and do
      • flod: curve ball thought, would it be really so terrible just to mark all locales as active for /firefox/new/?
      • flod
        it would be pretty ugly, honestly
      • agibson
        worse than?\
      • flod
        in case, also Pei's call
      • agibson
        right now, they get a page in english + english download
      • but yeah, it's a worst case scenario
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      • bugbot
        pgerman@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1455089 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED.
      • Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14... Analytics, normal, nobody, RESOLVED FIXED, Google Analytics access for Jesse Kleinsasser
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      • agibson
        Thinking about the above discussion more, fixing the language detection ux bug is really only half the issue. We still need translated, indexable content for people to find where to download from. Ideally, we still need all locales indexed in search ^
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      • bugbot
        New www.mozilla.org bug 1455298 filed by rraue@mozilla.com.
      • Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14... Release notes, normal, nobody, NEW , 404. Not redirected archived pages?
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      • pmac
        agibson: agreed. but 1440488 does desperately need attention.
      • agibson
        pmac: yup, I started a discussion over on slack and pinged eric
      • pmac
        even if we just got the phrase "it looks like you'd prefer {{ language }}" translated into every Fx locale
      • agibson
        right, I don't think we need to wait on whatever grand ux designs come out of that bug
      • pmac
        doesn't have to be an entire page even... which is I think what we did with the l10n bar
      • also true
      • perhaps I should spend some time with the UX of the /all page(s)
      • agibson
        but we really need to redesign /firefox/all/
      • pmac
        could be better
      • exactly
      • agibson
        I think it frightens a lot of people away, in honesty
      • pmac
        yeah... but what would a good one look like?
      • just a big search box that asks "What is your prefered language?"
      • agibson
        that's something I'd love to get Jennifer (our ux person) take some time addressing
      • pmac
        and results show up below with all platforms?
      • +1
      • seeing as it's the primary purpose of the site, that should be priority #1 IMHO
      • agibson
        yeah, I don't know how / why these things get pushed down
      • pmac
        it's shocking. there are builds of Firefox that are mostly not discoverable or downloadable