#zoneminder

moin

good morning everyone

hola ic0n

beginning work on zm cloud. Doing cakephp tutorials.

oh boy. Whats your plan?

architecture wise?

it's really just a simple accoutn management app, that will spawn a new instance of zm... so create a new database on the db server, and somehow configure a new virtualhost for zm... and maybe a chroot or vm based install of zm.

makes sense.

I think cake 3.x is out now. My API is still on 2.x

I want to keep zm fairly independent. I think I will have to make changes as to how zm gets it's config info.

I gotta get something roughed in today to please that guy. So... user registration/edit and spawn a zm instance is my goal for today.

um.. the cake I am working with is 1.3.15? uh oh...

lol

2.6.2 and 3.0.0-RC2

If you're starting new, I'd go with 3.0.0

yeah I'm there... just want to use ubuntu packages for the cake install....

ohhh I wouldn't

Would that mean cakephp becomes a dependancy for zm, or is it just a design thing?

They make upgrading a sinch

digdilem: Cake is already a dependency as the API is built with it.

But it just gets cloned with the rest of the code and you don't know

web/api directory

does it add much bloat?

yeah.. I'll see. likely will use 3.

Just a couple hundred thousands lines of code maybe :)

sorry for the questions, but what is the advantage to the user?

ic0n: After working with cake for years, my advice to you is to, before anything else, COMPLETELY settle on the DB schema

And then start with the code. Cake has a script that scaffoldes your entire app for you based on your DB schema, including create Create, Read, Update, Delete functionality for each table

digdilem: no worries

digdilem: to the end user, none

digdilem: The API makes it 'more better' for us Devs to code nice UIs though, which is good for the user.

that is a reasonable point and one I can understand.

'GET /api/monitors.json' gives you all the monitors. Now you don't have to worry about the DB layer.

'GET /api/monitors/1.json' give you just monitor 1

same with events, zones, frames, etc

one could also say that bloat isn't that important on a resource-heavy application like zm

but zm is already problematic to package due to a lot of historical dependancies, and difficult packaging leads to fewer users. (IMO)

digdilem: I was half joaking about the bloat. There is a lot of code in cakephp, but it is /fast/, and transparent to the user. Recourcse wise (CPU, RAM), no real bloat there

any extra cake-related load would be restricted to web interactions, wouldn't it?

(ie, not the heavy lifting of zm doing its thing)

yes digdilem

And the load is less than the current UI uses, as the API is more opimized

So while they're both (old and new) just hitting the DB, or looking in /events, one is doing it more efficiently

A proper API also makes it (almost) trivial for the community to create custom UIs (even smartphone apps) because they're coding against the same common, documented API

(also, the console has always been historically slow due to the many queries it needs - something I think I've mentioned could be reduced, and I think I've seen that reflected in some of your ui designs

)

yup

cool.

The new UI is in the angular-ui branch

It consists of an entirely rewritten UI (no longer PHP), which talks to the API (which is PHP)

not seen that branch (not having much time of late to take an active interest)

I just pushed it this morning

fixxxermet: all the tutorials use capitalized Model, Cnotroller, etc... but the installed cake seems to be using all lowercase. How case sensitive is it? Which should I be using?

nevermind

So here is a question... is a chroot sufficient to separate zm instances?

ic0n: Yeah, it uses camel case IIRC, and capitalizaion is important

ic0n: In this day and age, I'd say no. I'd go with LXC and do true separation

LXC is kernel-level virtualization

Light weight and easy to use

lxc-create -n zm01 -t ubuntu

lxc-create -n zm02 -t ubuntu

lxc-ls

and so on

hi. so I'm trying to get a monitor set up for an axis ip camera. if I go with probe it lists my camera. great. select that, go to view the monitor and it's blank.

I've also tried presets and manually filling in the location, still nothing. any advice?

oh, and it's also not clear to me how I'd do a username/password

GlenK: Possible the probe and presets didn't work for that model.

user and pass are added to the host field, like username:password@hostname

or username:password@ipaddress

k

which model?

m3014

same settings I'm manually entering work with xeoma

Maybe the settings here work: http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Axis#A...

Titler: ZoneMinder - Wiki - Axis

I've found the settings for different axis cameras to vary quite a bit.

sure, but as I say, I have some settings that work in xeoma. or just a web browser for that matter.

Can you post em?

/axis-cgi/mjpg/video.cgi works

and this too: rtsp://192.168.50.2/axis-media/media.amp

hmm. maybe this is the problem: Failed requesting writable buffer for reading JPEG image.

How many cameras can ZoneMinder handle?

Thinking we need about 80 cameras over 6 buildings with 12 at each building

looking at all IP camers, perferable passive POE

72p min

720p

new axis have changed things a lot. I can't set color=0 by url on the new ones, nor set fps. it's a bit poor

i've always been a massive fan of them so this is a disappointment

scotepi, wrong question. question is "how many cameras can my server support" - which is something of a greyscale answer

looking into it more yes, that is a loaded question

Titler: ZoneMinder - Wiki - FAQ

that doesn't answer your question directly, but gives some idea how you can adjust things

by using low fps and vga res, I run 35 ip cameras on one 4-core server

zm itself doesn't have practical limits to numbers of cameras.

ouch, I want about 80 cameras at 15fps 720p. They don't all need to be on the same server but I would like 1 server to be able to log in a view them with

view them live, or the events?

we technicly have a remote site but im not going to run 12 cameras through a 10mbps MPLS

I have about 80 cams over 5 sites, but I have one server per site. it eases bandwidth a lot too

events, maybe up to 8 live at once

I use a system I've called montage, which isn't zm related as such - to view live streams.

!montage

IP Camera Montage wiki: http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/IpCamM...

most of our sites are gigabit, one is 10mbps (10 miles away)

it works ok.

sorry, afk now = dinner's ready

the prices on these decent camers is kind of scarry >< The AXIS P1354-E keeps coming up and Amazon has them for $950