#tlsnotary-chat

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      • waxwing
        little bit like chaum's blind signing, but only in spirit, not actually
      • AdrianG
        does anyone use it much?
      • tlsnotary?
      • waxwing
        i don't think so, not much anyway. there's only 1 example i know of where it's being used as originally intended.
      • and then there's oracleize
      • apart from that, we have a few people test it here and there but i'm pretty sure there's not much if any real world usage
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      • well, the article is talking about an attack on client certificates it seems, but the top comment from yuhong bao is talking about handshake hashes. hmm.
      • looks like it came out of the same research that produced logjam. also looks like the media/internet chatterers don't really understand it and it just pushed the hot button "SHA1 is crap" issue.
      • "We now demon-
      • strate weaknesses in these constructions and show how
      • they can be exploited to mount practical transcript
      • collision attacks on real-world clients and servers."
      • "In TLS versions before 1.2, the default hash function is a
      • concatenation of MD5 and SHA-1 and hence requires
      • computing 2 77 MD5 and SHA-1 hashes. In TLS 1.2,
      • if the signature uses SHA-1, the cost is 2 77 hashes.
      • Remarkably, TLS 1.2 also allows RSA-MD5 signatures,
      • and for such signatures, the cost of the collision is
      • only 2 39 MD5 hashes."
      • they have a different idea of practical to me. and that only applies to client certs, which basically no one uses.
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      • "That ambitious privacy toolset aside, Chaum is also building into PrivaTegrity another feature that’s sure to be far more controversial: a carefully controlled backdoor that allows anyone doing something “generally recognized as evil” to have their anonymity and privacy stripped altogether."
      • facepalm
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      • proslogion
        waxwing: 2^77 SHA-256 is way more practical than 2^77 SHA1 ;)
      • waxwing
        heh, good point
      • SHA1 all the things immediately
      • chaum apparently has lost his marbles. or the NSA put something in his tea.
      • otoh digicash ... enough said i guess
      • proslogion
        well since when did Chaum have marbles....
      • a bit harsh, sorry
      • waxwing
        yeah, i think it might actually be fair, don't worry :)
      • i sometimes forget that genius is often accompanied by severe eccentricity.
      • proslogion
        yeah Ars Technica goes for click-baiting
      • a shame
      • more on Chaum: it's exactly why IMO, people can't just push for large blocksizes because they want "success" of some sort, once they accomplish this, the authorities can point to this as an example:"look, it shows that we can have some leadership answerable to us and make the entire community follow suit, we have been fooled all aong"
      • waxwing
        sure. i have occasionally tried to make the argument that the real urgency with bitcoin is to freeze it, no matter how bad the current design. but i don't think either camp likes that argument :)
      • interesting talk about internet censorship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJpFw7339_M
      • proslogion
      • waxwing
        proslogion: do you know about freeweibo.com?
      • proslogion
        hit upon it from time to time during searches but never paid attention, thought it was sort of a SEO-tool?
      • waxwing
        according to the guy in the talk, it's for publishing censored content on weibo
      • iiuc
      • proslogion
        k checked it out, it's used for searching weibo in a uncensored way, i wonder how can this even happen
      • waxwing
        just scrapes i'd guess?
      • proslogion
        right, then you can't say it's a "search engine" or what
      • waxwing
        heh, twitter is alight with this silliness
      • "Nine Server Administrators" :)
      • proslogion
        hehe, Alan Sherman is a co-author of the paper
      • waxwing
      • proslogion
        yeah
      • waxwing
        proslogion: why is alan sherman interesting?
      • proslogion
        he researches and supervise the paper explaining Chaum's MITM protocol that nobody understood
      • waxwing: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bit... expert opinion requested