#tlsnotary-chat

oh damn i just saw

24 years since the attack on dubrovnik

belcher: does croatia have many sand beaches, or just gravel beaches mostly?

most are pebble beaches yes, there are a few sandy ones too

i personally prefer pebbles, much less mess, you can throw them, more comfy to walk on

but yeah i know tourists like sandy beaches, i think its because of branding

if people lay on pebble beaches half-naked, is it going to feel...okay?

absolutely

that's interesting to know

its better than spending the next few hours picking sand grains out your underwear

yeah, anyway you are not going to lay your bare head against the pebbles

most people lie on something, a towel

right

many places have pebble and sand beaches near each other, so just choose

i suppose sand is nicer for children to build stuff

or adults if you've never done that before

I ain't no German :)

heh

/r/europe is the best for all the balkan threads

proslogion are you planning on travelling then?

to balkan? well....

i haven't figured out that place on paper

being a good physicist, i need to have a theory first before experiment :)

ignore the politics, go to seaside and have fun

well i like Europe 60-70% for cultural reasons i think :)

alright sure

do you know how to swim ?

yes

dont want to offend, just some people dont

of coz

in China, most northern people don't, most southern people can

this is kinda interesting, like most people don't cycle, but they all happened to learn to do it at some point in their life

not sure why

its enjoyable

both are good physical exercises

this somehow makes sense but i doubt it's the entire reason :)

they're also useful

cycling is an efficent way of getting around and swimming is good if you fall in

watch a james bond film where he swims and wonder if you could do that

waxwing: wonder if you know what's the difference between segwitness and ultrapruning?

proslogion: no, sorry. i have a vague idea of what the former is, and zero idea of what the latter is.

hey guys - I have won the hack.ether.camp hackathon (30 competing teams on Ethereum) with an Oraclize-based project, iudex (more at http://iudex.on.ether.camp:8080 ).

We used, of course, TLSNotary proofs, so now I am being asked about them as well and I have some journalists willing to interview you guys - is there anybody willing to do that? just asking ;)

-> https://twitter.com/MeherRoy/status/67380986668...

bertani: it doesn't take so much effort - just go to tlsnotary.org and click 'Contacts' :)

they can use tlsnotarygroup@gmail.com which was set up to be a group email (although we had some trouble with that, but still it works fine)

i believe there is also a twitter @tlsnotary, I think dansmith_btc has that one

although he may well have given me the password at some point

but, in other news: congrats !

yes I just wanted to know what to answer to him since he got in touch with me with the question ;)

a friend of mine told me he met dansmith_btc 2 years ago in Milan, do you guys have any plan to be around UK/Italy/Europe in the next few months? It would be nice to have a coffee together

bertani: yeah, well, dansmith_btc likes to keep his anonymity. for me, i'm in latvia. i don't travel so much, but maybe some time. would be nice for sure :)

btw i was in milan too at that time :)

which event was that? I wasn't there for some weird reason, even if at the time I was based near Venice so pretty close

the unsystem "conference"

i'm just reading the ludex thing here

so you have the concept like a 'salute' where you post a unique ID on your registered account

that's the more natural way to prove ownership of accounts, effectively in public. but i guess you're trying to have it automated or something.

i always got a bit confused about this. i thought: you can use TLSNotary to prove something like: my government website account records my address as: ..... , but i felt its use in a reputation system might be weaker

*unless* you wanted to use things like registered address or registered profession or registered income statement etc.

iudex, not ludex, uppercase i didn't help

which could be got from "official" websites in *private* areas, but not public.

the point was to have the whole thing being executed within the smart contract logic

so that all the hashes are stored on the chain

this is similar to the approach used by bitrated, even if they are linking the account differently

onebase/etc, are probably following an approach similar to us

sorry i should just read carefully, maybe when i have more time to focus.

no problem, feel free to ask if something is not clear enough - this was written quite in an hurry for the hackathon

but well, we would like to go on working on this project

so any feedback is very appreciated

dansmith_btc: proslogion i tweeted back at the guy. if either of you want to respond, feel free.

i keep an eye on the email every day, so i'll make sure to forward anything

waxwing: yeah IMO you are like the best person to do all these things(as if you didn't already everytime) :)

proslogion: this iudex thing looks interesting. i'm only worried that it will lead to a terrifying future bertani :)

anyway if you don't like me talking about tlsnotary because your interest in interview/thiskindofstuff is close to zero, I can stop citing your work and call it with some different weird name like TLSproof :P ahah

waxwing: why? how do you see it turning bad?

bertani: why do you say that? we just don't have any sort of marketing thing, because we realised after a while that there wasn't much interest.

we very much did want people to use it, of course.

bertani: you are way more ingenious at coming up with good names than us :)

as for interviews, well there may be some reluctance, but not really; after all, we did make a website people could visit (even if a very bad one!)

waxwing: I mean that if you are not interested in handling marketing than I would understand it

waxwing: well for me, it's like"hey people already use it, so what's next? Bah don't care"

as for terrifying future: i am terrified of a future where the fact that i don't use facebook makes it difficult for me to live. it's already true that i can't get good prices in the supermarket because i refuse to use loyalty cards.

it's quite different than that, because the idea is that partecipants could vote on the best algo even for the weighted avg of scoring

so if facebook is not a good indicator (which in fact I think it doesn't) than its influence will be very limited

anyway this is meant to be used by the ethereum communicty for facilitating some things like the use case we proposed (the smartcontract-handled escrow for ETH/BTC trades)

yeah it's more a general philosophical discussion than it is anything to do with your system.

yep this project was mainly done to show "just another Oraclize use case" as this is my focus

proslogion: dansmith_btc i forwarded you his email. it's the epicenter bitcoin podcast.

waxwing: iron your suit and realign your tinfoil hat, you probably need to get in the sort of mood when we first designed the system :)

yeah ... not really going to happen. i think bertani would be better suited to interview, surely?

I already talked about tlsnotary in an interview with this guy at Ethereum Devcon1, but probably he wants to focus more on tlsnotary this time

(my interview was about Oraclize and our use of TLSNotary)

especially since those guys really love ethereum, so it's a good fit. some obscure deep in the guts TLS system which is not really related to blockchains except peripherally.

well if he wants a technical explanation, then no problem.

it's like interviewing a plumber or something

yes he probably does, they are not specifically "ethereum lovers", but focused on blockchain stuff all around (Bitcoin, Ethereum, *)..

oh it's ok, i know them quite well. yes, you're right, they're interested in the whole spectrum. don't be too sensitive, just because i think they're "ethereum lovers" doesn't mean i hate ethereum :)

I do :)

lol jk

I am not sensitive as I never said I love ethereum :)

my relationship to ethereum is complex :) my main problem is i absolutely don't believe in PoS, which kind of puts me at odds with Vitalik et al..

In fact Oraclize is platform-agnostice, we will eventually support rootstock or any other convincing platform which could need our API

yep, same, but I am sure they won't switch to PoS anytime soon. Even their variation over PoS is not convincing at the moment

bertani: really?

i don't believe in neither PoS and so-called memory-hardened PoW

i thought the PoS thing was more or less set in stone? at one time there was a 'difficulty bomb' right?

problem is i can't really keep up with the news.

and->nor

waxwing: you won't be blamed for that ;)

waxwing: talk is cheap, but having the community on your side is not easy unless the tech switch is convincing

at this point there is no clear plan on how the update to PoS would work

and if they stick to PoW there isn't there a big centralization problem? you can't have globally distributed mining at 15s block time. or am i wrong because of the uncle thing.

yes mining in ethereum is more centralized than bitcoin at the moment

anyway the thing I like is the EVM, I am not sure the ethereum network per se will have any good future - even if it might be..

this is why rootstock **looks** interesting at the moment

yes the EVM is what the original whitepaper was about.

or that website whatever. coincidentally, i saw that first in Milan :)

still, experimenting on Ethereum for the EVM is lot of fun

not sure what's going in Vitalik and co's mind tbh...even if your theoretical limit is 12s-ish, it's better to be on the safe side, if you can achieve 30s-1min blocks people would be very happy

or probably it's already indistinguishable from shitcoins who use short block-intervals

it really depends on what you plan to do, contract status changes every minute is very different than every 20 seconds

well in that case...you can never cover all the use cases or maybe even a majority of them

correct

otoh though, do they do anything to reduce the blockchain size?

i don't think the hypercube stuff is going anywhere

suddenly segwit is the new hotness

what a cool name can do for your

i almost mistook it for coinwitness

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vq8h... well, i kinda wonder, why this deadline rush then?

"Though the group started with the intent to declare a loose consensus to the wider global bitcoin community, it ultimately settled on less concrete goals, such as having core developers engage with the China-based community on its popular WeChat forums."

http://www.coindesk.com/hard-fork-developers-sc... heh

proslogion: your email doesn't decrypt the part replied to, i notice.

you meant you made a reply in there, but i wasn't able to see it

"waxwing|you can't just shove a script in anywhere. it has to be inside one of the inputs."- 2015-11-02 :)

so Satoshi was like doing mac-then-hash, very bad :)

strongly indicating that he isn't a cryptographer

proslogion: you couldn't decrypt my email to you?

waxwing: i could and i replied, i was interpreting what you said as i missed a part of the plaintext