#tlsnotary-chat

dansmith_: take a look at #12

i just tried it on firefox and chrome, both worked for me. I can only presume he *is* able to load the page itself (would be dumb otherwise)

so not sure what could cause it. can you confirm that you can notarize it too?

(anyone else here who has pagesigner, if you have a moment, please try to notarize https://geti2p.net, would appreciate it)

maybe the guy just has a generally bad net connection

well, my internet is so poor im in no position to do any tests,still that geti2p site notarized fine on ff but timedout on chrome

for me

dansmith_: no worries, thanks for giving it a try. if anyone else can, then i'll answer the guy and tell him it's likely his internet.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/July_2015_Forks#Inva... somebody is getting famous, too bad we don't know if it's his real name

hehehehe

that plugin even has bits of the joinmarket plugin

i.e. the reason i know how to do that stuff

gmaxwell came into #electrum asking how to, i realised i knew exactly what to do

so you, you seem to know some sh*t about the situation

explain to us

oh yeah

so..

some miners didnt verify before they mined

they just got the longest block header and started hashing

without checking any of the tx or anything, including turns out this bip66 thing

nothing? for real, nothing? i thought it's just not "fully validating"

apparently not

so if i MITM them and send them a block with a hash not even corresponding to the preimage

yep

they will mine on it

jeebus

stupid i know

but i meant what's the point, sha256 is fast, that's the point of their miner

it reduces their orphans

over months and years they were getting an extra 2%

from not taking the time to verify

well, but afaik, the part about H(block)=block header hash really takes a negligible amount of time out of everything, shouldn't they be able to do a gazillion times per second?

isn't that what they do?

yeah they do

the bottleneck is downloading the block

okay, so they never even download the block

so i knew too little, the block wasn't propagated with the header hash? or they just, after the hash is in, cut the rest out?

hmm

i think you can request headers only

in the btc protocol

i c

so it's pull rather than push

not sure

so what's with the second fork? is it just a coincidence that SPV-miners mined 3 blocks in a row despite controlling a minority of the hashrate this time?

no

theres ~5% of miners who dont even follow the bip66

but when they mine a block, the ~50% of miners who dont verify will build on top of it

so the fork can grow

yeah, but from what i saw

in the second fork

all 3 blocks were not from giant chinese pools

so was it just that they happened to mine 3 blocks in a row

1st was one of the 5%

next 2 were the 50-45%

idk

its probably not known the % miners who spv

well, yeah, but only about 25% is in the unknown fan of the pie

ok thanks

no

bc.i isnt the best

ok that last one isnt great

69% unknown to it

18% unknown on the other one

wow p2pool is super small :|

belcher: errr...sorry wot?

even eligius is tiny

18% is right

i guessed yo uwere looking at bc.i

the 69% one i think is old

different sites recognise different pools

and we know for a fact that the 4 chinese pools combined to something like 55-60%

yeah

so i guess it's the 18% though

so ,what's that plugin for? telling you if a chain is carrying the greatest amount of hashpower?

okay, it does lots of things actually

you can query the electrum server for a block header

input the block height and it tells you

i c

so you can tell which fork the server is on

hmmm, are you guys winning? you and waxwing etc

winning what?

electrum does look like the best mid-ground between SPV and full node?

electrum is SPV

in its trust model

joinmarket prices continue to trend downwards :|

there would be no need for joinmarket if the blockchain is done

nah the fork will be fine

all the miners who dont verify have lost money

like more than $10k in total

i know it

but as someone on reddit pointed out

you can get 2% more on average, and lost money in a very 'rare' accident

yeah its like fractional reserve banking

slowly make money until you lose a lot all at once

and knowing the Chinese mindset, my fellow countrymen will put any threat from active attackers out of the equation

yes they could be actively attacked too

but they will be like "everything is gonna be ok, me worry?"

that's exactly what they will be thinking

someone should just attack them

yeah

like hundreds of times before happened

joinmarket contributors are stuck in the bikeshedding phase

until the bridge collapsed, the building burned down, the babies died of toxins

they all want to make the orderbook watcher html page look pretty as hell

they wouldn't care

oh shit

damn

i forgot about those :(

??

the things you mentioned

bridges

did you see the photos of a big mining farm few weeks ago?

maybe, i forgot

wasnt there one that caught fire once

the one in China, somewhere near Tibet, haoBTC

the busbar was exposed, hehe

damn these prices

they are like that

you can coinjoin 0.9btc, and pay 5500 satoshi

busbar?

aha

basically, a metal bar with something like 300-500A going through it

that sounds incredibly dangerous..

it would go through your heart and into the ground]

nah, it would turn you into cinder

yeeah

belcher: 5430 satoshis is the dust limit

insurance companies are hard to survive in my country

its not, dust limit is 544

then all these people with minimum size at zero

they will create dust transactions

maybe i could do it to troll them

okay 546 satoshis