#tlsnotary-chat

oakpacific: it would be neglectful if they weren't already selling off-exchange wherever possible. coinbase premium.

waxwing: sorry, do you still remember the cryptography coursebook pdf you once pointed me to?

oakpacific: hmm, which one? there are a few floating about out there

schneier stuff?

waxwing: well, i don't really know, other than being written by gurus and fairly long

:)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2v2vr... ..............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicative_gr... why can't people give it a slightly less verbose name?

oakpacific: Zn or whatever, not OK?

darkwallet lighthouse proj funded: https://blockchain.info/tx/2b31ffad76aa37974af3...

fun if not significant

waxwing: well, searching for Zn is not exactly productive

oh i c :)

or Zp for that matter

if you want to read about those groups, maybe just search for groups generally as those always come into play somewhere. unless it's just talking about axioms. and even then.

or .. if you're searching, is the fact that the name is verbose a disadvantage or an advantage? :)

well, now i see i can searh with the phrase modulo n/p group

waxwing: long name has a disadvantage, people name it in a slightly different way and they can't be found

oakpacific: am i missing something or could you have TOR for a postal service?

what postal service do you mean?

well you know, encrypt the next address that a package gets sent to

i mean physical packages

waxwing: oh, no wonder i didn't get it the first time :)

but the thing is, the exit node faces way more consequences in RL

oakpacific: yes, true.

but if thats the only objection it's still interesting

MITM? you need to seal the package really professionally i guess

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/libaxolotl-an... be proud we have nearly as many watchers and stargazers as this repo

sealing the package problem is already there

re: axolotl, yeah, interesting. maybe it's the catchy names that both projects have that makes them so popular

waxwing: :)

in China we have Bitmessage postal service btw :)

explain pls

long-distance coach drivers taking packages from shops/businesses along the highway, then drop them at another point

right, sure, but why specifically bitmessage?

many systems are like that

waxwing: well, just the vague similarity that all messages in BM are bundled in a block and transported

DHTs are a bit like that too

and prob other things i can't think of

bitmessage is a bit token ring

onion router feels more like it could work in the real world because you can't go for an everything-> everywhere model like in bitmessage or bitcoin

waxwing: yeah, but postal service already has rather good anonymity, if you use'em postal box

oakpacific: right. i'm thinking more of preventing 2 counterparties in a trade finding out each other's info.

oh

there'd probably have to be more crypto gubbins along the way

but maybe you can do it

better stick with my idea, orbital battleship guns :)

under what conditions would a single utxo point to more than 1 address?

i understand it might point to none: a p2sh

waxwing: i don't get it, in which case a response script from each address could release the output?

*from either

oakpacific: i ask because of this:

{

"bestblock" : "0000d1371bf1fb441c85985031556eedd3e2f61ebaeeb635651614b896dfd965",

"confirmations" : 1,

"value" : 220.00000000,

"scriptPubKey" : {

"asm" : "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 602fc37d17659281b1eb440b760a9167062fb085 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",

"hex" : "76a914602fc37d17659281b1eb440b760a9167062fb08588ac",

"reqSigs" : 1,

"type" : "pubkeyhash",

"addresses" : [

"mpHYP9ME3DNpp1QujY5P98cKmZXgoGHN6B"

]

},

"version" : 1,

"coinbase" : false

}

^ addresses is an array

sorry i forgot to add that that is the output from gettxout <txid> <output index>

so it's one vout

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/From_address looks like relevant

but probably not

well possibly in an abstract way it's relevant; my question is simply, why did they make that an array, what's the scenario where there's more than one?

like i said, i perfectly understand it could be none

also it's a multisig addr

what's a multisig address?

i meant doesn't it start with a "m", what's it actually?

testnet/regtest

sorry yeah

never used it

as i said above, i understsand that if it's p2sh there doesn't have to be an address here (although there *could* be a msig)

waxwing: yeah

oakpacific: you have used testnet, i saw you :)

but otoh, if, let's say if, the redeeming condition is, a signed script from one of a list of addresses, i don't see how that wouldn't work

would that be p2sh though?

hmm hang on, maybe it's raw/bare multisig. old style.

well, to the best of my memory, they also used single address...

yeah, almost certainly

i still don't understand it, but 99.99% it will never matter :)

waxwing: well, you could experiment yourself

how could i do that? if i don't know what can cause it to happen, then i can't make it happen :)

i never knew there was a "bitcoin court" :)

hmm did you know there are still 70 people in #mtgox, including MagicalTux?

waxwing: not there for a long time, but wouldn't be surprised

so is it like, with lighthouse, MH is regaining trust from lots of old-time rivals?

:)

i noticed the toddster submitting PRs to MH the other day

but nah those arguments are never going to be settled

except maybe fight club style :)

yeah, and darkwallet is using it for crowdfunding

yeah i knew what you were referring to

well, arguments will/should carry on, but the consipracy theory can stop

so is it likely that mtgox will ever be removed from the wiki?

waxwing: anyone who will read the wiki knows better i guess

true

that was more a question to be asked in late 2013 than early 2015

OT channel is there

should have bitsquare and tlsnotary included as well

:)

right

i noticed, kinda random they put twister and darkwallet

waxwing: do you know if there is a mail client that could enable the vacation responder setting on a service like gmail?

doesn't look like it's part of any protocol

oakpacific: a bit of an advanced question for me :)