#tlsnotary-chat

not just me then.. so far i just blocked them all but that's useless. i'll remove the original forum and .. do something else, maybe.

to oakpacific: i constantly have full access to that email address, don't worry.

to oakpacific: you got a reply, sounds positive.

waxwing: i am deeply hurt when you referred to 'me' rather than 'us'

oakpacific: ?

waxwing: okay jokes aside, how do we frame a response?

to Bitreserve

ok, but i didn't actually get the joke, 'cos i'm not sure which thing you mean

oakpacific: i guess i should read your email to them first, before giving an opinion, hang on

ok read it

waxwing: yeah i wrote a rather lousy one coz i wasn't holding my breath

so bitreserve's elevator pitch is .. what exactly?

waxwing: well, basically you can keep some sort of an asset there, which i think is a mixture of bitcoins and fiats, which is expected to be stable in value

ok

and to do this, they have this transparency effort

like tether.to

i think the best response is to offer them to come here and do a tlsnotary session, no?

which means they need to prove their bank balance and so on

dansmith_btc: ^ (and also note the email convo in tlsnotarygroup@gmail.com , do you have the password still?)

well, i guess we can say this is what we can do, and also ask what they expect to see

is that reasonable?

oakpacific: why not just say, first thing is for you to try it yourself (tell them to do selftest)

then tell them that if they want to try interactive session with us, we can do that. just prove some toy page initially

i'd be happy to do some more sensitive info like a bank statement, if it helps, but i'm not sure how useful that is

mention the software dependency on firefox and python

and tell them we can give tech support here

if that's not enough for them, then let them ask for more

it seemed like he was saying "yeah, we know you're doing free open source development, but we still expect a business like presentation"

right, that's rather....hmmm

well, fine, but it's not really like that and it doesn't need to be.

waxwing: if they can pay for your air ticket and accommodation then sure ;)

jk

well that's the other extreme, but yeah, you get the point

like i say it doesn't need to be, we already did the work to make anyone be able to test it

okay, but maybe phrase it this way:we know it's secure, but we should agree on which pages to test first, because we guess you don't want us to see your sensitive information. Actually, you can do some self-tests first on your own, and explain a bit about what self-test really means

sure. but a demonstration i think would be more logical if we show to them our pages.

and of coz we are happy to help if you don't mind us seeing your sensitive info

ah i c

am i the only person so far who has done a test on his own bank account?

but, get the ball to their court

:)

waxwing: hmmm...i can't remember

because it doesn't spread confidence if even the cognoscenti are prepared to use it..

are not prepared to use it

i mean, it doesn't have to be a bank account, but it should be something official at least

yeah, right

we shouldn't mention their own info

yes

otherwise we're just messing around :)

waxwing: if you are happy, then cool

if i'm happy with what? using my bank account?

yes, or something similar

i can do it. i also suggested several times that i could prove my address, or my teacher qualification, as a test.

obviously i only want to do tests on my bank account if it's really necessary, and i feel like i can trust the other side.

i did it with belcher because i trust him and because at some point a real test had to be run.

okay, then another way: we would be happy to demonstrate.., but you can also get familiar with it by using the self-test mode etc, which we recommend

yeah variations on that theme. emphasize self test. that will allow them to see what they want to see. secondarily mention that a test with one of our personal infos can be done, real time.

waxwing: cool

but emphasize self test + our support in this channel, i'd say.

waxwing: i agree

dansmith_btc: ^

oakpacific: and also emphasize the reading of the user guide of course, so they know all the steps.

waxwing: yes

waxwing: so if you don't mind....:)

no, no that's your achievement :) i already did ardeva

besides i just sat down at the computer to do a bit of coding on joinmarket

waxwing: hmmm...ok

oh btw

you contacted ardeva through forms?

oakpacific: i emailed their tech support

i just wrote 'please pass this on to whoever's in charge of technology'

but i think it's basically a 1 or 2 man operation anyway

waxwing: well i meant i didn't see the correspondences

i apologize for not using the group email

i just didn't think of it actually

oh, sure, np

i can forward my email now come to think of it

waxwing: btw, is it better, to reply them with a real name?

difficult to say. i wouldn't say it's that important. we have a contact list on our website, they can take it as they find it.

okay, we actually should have used some email signatures

i forwarded my earlier email to the group address, for reference.

my earlier ardeva email i mean

but hey we are not running a business

okay i will use my real name

right, exactly

replying every email undersigned with "TLSNotary Dev Group" is just...weird :)

don't worry too much about that kind of stuff. if it becomes an issue it can be dealt with.

i don't seem to be receiving the email i forwarded...

do you see it?

waxwing: yes in spam

you are on the blacklist

ah really? that is ... interesting :(

well i don't know

but, hmmm

although i don't think that's how spam works in gmail. not just "the blacklist"

it just appeared in the inbox for me.

sure sure, half-jk

we need to speak to mike hearn ;)

did you manually shift it from spam to inbox or..?

yes

having a group email address is seriously confusing :)

remember the good old way of secret communication, by writing drafts in the same mailbox?

yes, that part at least is easy to understand

oakpacific, i just finishe reading the log. feel free to contact them in a way you see fit.

btw, i set up my thunderbird to check tlsnotarygroup email periodically.

waxwing: where is your teacher qualification page hosted?

gov.uk :)

it's a new system they put in the last year or two i think oakpacific

waxwing: some rather capable people i would say

sorry?

the one who came up with this idea

nobody out there knows sh*t about what accreditation organisation is legit or not in here

the best thing to do is to have the government backing it directly

a fact which occasionally doesn't make sense to Anglophone people :)

well it's not really an idea, right. the government (the department of education) *is* the accreditation agency

yes, but very often, you are gonna, e.g., outsource the hosting to a third party, or accredit under a different name, all for the reason of fair entry to the market, etc

it's the old argument of free market leads to natural monopolies

oh ok you're talking about all that PPI and so on, rubbish

well, in a truly free market everyone has access to all the information, but in this case, foreign employers simply don't want/can't have the information at all, for whatever reason

wait what am i saying

obviously some information can be withheld, especially given the availability of encryption

might be the first zerocoin impl. http://www.moneta.cash/technology.html

mkarrer: thanks for the link. did you take a look at the robert sams paper?

not really

highly recommended

that moneta.cash site is ringing a lot of warning bells

the 'technology' page is a bunch of tired old arguments, nothing new

the 'details' page is just linking to matt green's zerocoin paper

the founder did yesterday a remote presentation at the meetup here. sounded profound, but we will see when it is out

waxwing: "You can do git clone if you know what that is; if not, just click the "Download Zip" on the right hand side of this page." should we change the order a bit on this page

also i guess we can put a download link on our website pointing to the zip file

and btw i was just thinking , "when is matt green going to actually do some relase of zerocash" today

waxwing: but they still need some reinforced concrete computer bunker to blow up

mkarrer: ok they're interested in Ghost, that's something.

everything about mining there is just opposite to what i think is right :)

they also have a special mining algo which should prevent asics... but not so much info yet out

they want to use a sponge (keccak based maybe?) and think it'll stop asics/

?

i always find myself in this position: i can't *prove* you're wrong, but i still strongly, strongly believe it :)

people keep trying to make un-specializable mining algorithms, it just feels intuitively that that shouldn't be possible

i don't need to repeat my old rite that asic-resistance is not even desirable i guess

and yeah that's the other side of the argument. i guess it's just one of those things that will go on and on till the end of time :)

because it's not falsifiable

as long as Bitcoin is out there, all altcoins will continue to work "fine"