#tlsnotary-chat

this is a big deal: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2qgk...

i mean blocking wikileaks only affected a few "rebels", but if they go the whole hog and block all of russia (OK likely they won't), it could have big repercussions

waxwing: i don't think they use much CC to start with?

oakpacific, it's about connection to the world economy really. It's cases like this that really illustrate the point: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2qiv2n...

"Hello. I found you in an r/bitcoin related thread; I am looking for feedback on our new service at tweetbit.org. Our market demographic is journalists in oppressive regimes. I am interested in any feeback on site design, bitcoin bloat, or other topics related to our service. I greatly value reddit user optinions, so feel free to express. Thank you."

got this from someone

made me thinking: how good/bad if we start messaging everyone about TLSNotary?

he almost coined a new word "optionion"

dansmith_btc: ha amzing

yeah got that too

oakpacific, are you coining too? amzing = amusing+amazing

dansmith_btc: :)

it's all handbags at dawn over in Tor land

this is a relief: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk...

phew, now we can all relax :)

waxwing: what does a crypto duel look like?

good question. they should have them; it would be like in the old days when del Ferro and Cardano challenged each other to solve cubics.

if you ever saw that incredibly cheesy film 'Hackers' they had something like that :)

non-tech sensationalistic quarrels about motives are so pointless

yes. that's why it disturbs me that dingledine would write something like that.

lighthouse would be a good platform to crowdfund an inspection of Tor's code

i am sure some very rich people would certainly be willing to pay...

gmaxwell is one of those people whose every sentence requires brain work to understand

We won't put backdoors in Tor. Ever. - I would have expected "Never" instead of "Ever", but might be my poor english just :-)

"ever" is right there.

this might be a bit more substantive than all the catfights: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk...

but only one person answered. that's the way it always goes :)

mkarrer, in case it helps: "won't + ever" because the negative is already in "won't"; "won't never" would be a double negative.

ah ok, thanks. in spanish its different...they use this double negations

oh yes. i vaguely remember that.

in russian they have that too. in certain constructions.

language and logic don't mix, silly of me to forget :)

does irc limit how many users can come from one IP? if so, how does that mix with VPNs?

mkarrer: french as well

Je ne sais pas etc

not strictly: "ne pas" together is the negating part. Although that is greatly confused by real world usage where the 'ne' is often dropped.

waxwing: well, real world is way more interesting

i happen upon this in the afternoon

je ne mange que....

i only eat balhblah

of course you can say ne que is another fixed combination...

it's getting a bit vague but i think something else is being dropped there

i don't eat [anything] except ..

ne is often used for negation alone in lots of places

waxwing: yes

so here ne is used for negation alone

oakpacific, well that's what i just said :)

"real world usage where the 'ne' is often dropped"

waxwing: errr, you said "pas" i think

right

oh i see, my mistake

what really got to me is when i saw stuff like 'plus d'essence' on a sign

literally meaning "more oil" but actually meaning "we have no more oil"

(if i remembered it right)

i did remember right :)

hmmm

but anyway textbook french is "ne X pas" for verb negation, the "ne pas" isn't double negative like "Ya nikogda ne bil" in Russian "I never was not [something]", and whatever it is in Spanish. Maybe they have it in French too, I don't remember. Wouldn't be surprised though.

in russian it's strictly wrong to not include the extra 'ne'. it's not a matter of slang.

wow, it's amazing how much basic french i've forgotten. Je ne <X> jamais etc. So it's more or less the same in French as in russian. ne + jamais = never. Probably english is the exception. I can't remember how it goes for German at all.

waxwing: it's double plus good

despite being illogical, Chinese uses double negation strictly, though similar ambiguities rise in other places

does it?

wo *bu* hui shuo putonghua.. :)

right

single negation=negation

you mean that it's like english, it follows mathematics?

two negatives make a positive?

waxwing: yes

wo *bu shi *bu* hui shuo putonghua(it's not that i can't speak Mandarin)

shi bu shi .. it reminds me of a little joke i came up with, like going to the shoe shop and asking if it's size 44 (zhe shi si shi si, shi bu shi), but in a southern accent where it sounds more like zi si si zi si si bu si.. :)

you seem to be extraordinarily gifted in language :)

but you can put a "hao"(size, cardinal number) behind "si shi si" to add clarity

wasn't completely a joke. kind of happened; my size was actually european size 44/45.

quite difficult to find

hmmm, i am european 43 it is always rather easy for me, not sure if one more makes such difference

omg, british shoeshops have to use 3 different size units

smackdown: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/re_Courtois_1004.txt