#tlsnotary-chat

idk

that wouldnt lead to more localbitcoins volume

or would it

according to that sub, some drug dealers are also localbitcoins sellers, hehe

i had a slight moral panic today, about my coinjoin thing

how would i feel if someone was kidnapped and the ransom paid in bitcoin, then they used the idea i helped come up with to launder the money

guess they're natural thoughts, with any kind of crypto privacy stuff

the good outweighs the bad

you can pay kidnappers ransom with other methods too

belcher: you know D.B.Copper?

nope

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157130.0 maybe of interest to you

ty, will read

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224622.0 and this

that one seems like it just brings back centralization

apart from probably being unworkable

i mean like, centralization by consensus, like for many democratic governments

which have overwhelming popular support, dont forget

does hearn still come here or in #bitsquare btw?

it was cool chatting to him when he was around

i said some similar tl;dr down there

i think the central idea is, if everyone hates you and wants you to get caught, let's be real, you can't escape

wherever you are, whatever you use

technology doesn't help people to decide, it just execute their decisions at greated efficiency

ok but some technology is inherently helpful more to some kinds of ideas than others

the printing press in europe is highly related to protestant christianity for instance

technology shapes society, makes some ideas more likely to win than others

ideas = any kind of movement

and for your central idea, technology like tor allows pedophiles to organise and communicate when earlier they could never find each other, even though literally everyone else hates pedophiles

obv i believe in tor, thats not the point, even facebook believes in tor

hearn gave me another idea reading that

the community expressing its will can be expressed through ddos

you know what, i think that's actually because tor is to a degree centralized

relays are not normal nodes, they are a level higher

much of the power is decentralized

so theres a central list of nodes iirc

but the stuff that matters, knowledge of whose talking to whom, is completely decentralized

damn, 00:30 already

nah, the 8000 or so relays decide if you can be found

not the millions users at large

if everyone is a node, and 90% of them hate pedos

authority can just ask them one by one to tell some certain packets's upstream IPs

until they get down to this one guy

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/digital-curr... - nice cheesy stock images :)

"It is estimated that 20,000 people in the UK currently hold Bitcoins – and around £60m worth are circulating in the UK economy. But we want to get the facts on why people are using them. " lol, I bet you do!

gov.uk is choosing rsa/aes-128-cbc :)

waxwing: your browser seems to be old and need updates? or maybe you configured it specifically for tlsnotary?

it's showing DHE/AES-GCM for me

no i checked. FF33 on defaults.

ah . tlsversion num, hang on..

no, still ok tls.version.max is set to 3.

well, then they are a nasty site, still is using government website as an oracle a good idea?

yes, it's an excellent idea for verifying an identity, if that is possible and for some reason turns out to be useful.

anyway the default is not the main issue, i'm sure most such sites will still support rsa.

waxwing: oh, i didn't think that far today(though definitely for the last several days)

i was talking about pubkey-sanity check oracle

oh that, no , def wouldn't use a gov site for that

or hang on, you mean pms check or? pubkey sanity checking, what's that?

waxwing: yeah, right, sorry it's a sleepy morning

waxwing: well generally the principle seems to be as little collusion as possible

so seems the sites should be in as many industries as possible

oakpacific, i was puzzled what might be causing you getting a different cipher suite, possibly you have tls.version.min set to 3? or possibly you're using chrome?

waxwing: yes i am using chrome for sure, but why would that cause a difference?

oakpacific, basically, adam langley. 'nuff said :)

maybe he read our paper and disabled tls 1.0 :)

waxwing: okay, sorry for not providing enough info

that's rather....hmmm

i can fire up chrome now and i'd bet i'll get the same as you.

waxwing: i tried ff already

yeah i get the same as you for chrome

and i already somehow thought the same

in ff make sure you have tls.version.min at 1 (or 0 if you think poodle is a bunch of crap), and tls.version.max at 3

secretly? heh

i'm the same, i'd love to see that happen. people treat mathematics too much like brands. ECC is the Apple of crypto.

okay, obscurely

oh wait, just realize gov.uk uses the traditional DHE, not ECDHE

speculating on the motives of website operators for using a particular CC is such a fun sport :)

relevant to earlier discussion: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/5458...

So I'm waiting for feedback on the notification box redesign thing, in particular need to change the icon. once that's done i would assume we could shove in signing to the peer messaging. but until then i probably won't do anything else.

of course, any changes proposed to the website could be thrown in too. i could make a little repo for the website front page maybe.

waxwing: how do i try out without it being merged? from your repo?

um, yeah, i think that's easiest.

but it's tlsnotary-1 not tlsnotary

oakpacific, ^ get the zip from there

waxwing: tks you are so considerate

:)

ok great, didn't realise i was being considerate :)

i know it sounds weird lol

feel free to comment on upload site selection https://github.com/tlsnotary/tlsnotary/issues/74

we could use OP_RETURN btc transactions :)

dansmith_btc, is it poss. to use those others via python directly?

waxwing, all 4 will be used via python, i will also get rid of the old sendspace.js files

OK great. well, big thumbs up from me then. obv would be nice to find a p2p way to send the data practically, but this is a nice step forwards, hope it's not too much work.

took me a night of reverse engineering

dansmith_btc, well, goes without saying, but thanks for putting in the time. i have a technical comment, but will put it in the issue thread instead.