#timvideos

rather than asking you the same dumb questions every 2-3 months

$800 Sony HVR-HD1000U http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/pho/528845611... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/518555-RE...

Title: Sony HVR-HD1000U Digital HD HDV Camcorder (slightly used) (at chicago.craigslist.org)

hmm, no xlr in

minijack, though

no xlr in shouldn't matter - hdmi2usb isn't getting the audio from the camera

we're unfortunately still going to have to drag around mixers, which i was hoping to eradicate

xlr in is usually from a mixer. It means the audio and video are naturally in sync

fortunately you can get quite light ones these days

reviews" it's not great in low light rooms. Camera is great for shooting outside and in great lighting"

lol

tumbleweed: sure, but we typically usually feed xlr in from a venue mixer to the camera

and capture audio/video from firewire

yep

we can't do that with hdmi2usb, it'll need to be injected into a sound card/device

which changes the setup a little

"can't" is presumably a bit strong there

bandwidth the issue?

i asked the other day and was told no

if we can - that would be amazing

means much simpler cabling/setups/less equipment

mithro said "later"

right

okay, good

xfxf: I am thinking to run xlr into the camera, use the camera's limiter and gain and vu meter, then analog out into a usb audio device

i'm not aware of cameras that will do 'analog out'

or maybe firewire ... which makes me cry

if you mean the hadphone jck you probably don't want do to that, it'll sound rubbish

and if you mean the audio/video out jacks they're usually non-existant on HD cameras

the dvx100 does it. that one I just posted: Audio L/R Output: RCAx2

some of the HDV models might be a diff story tho as they're sort of transitional between SD and HD

dvx100 isn't a HD camera

i'm talking HD specifically, sorry

er, HDMI

that one I just posted: Audio L/R Output: RCAx2

it's not a standard thing rhough iirc

that said happy to be corrected

xlr into camera with 2x RCA out sounds workable

bbl, this laptop is running out of disk i/o and is lagging hard

i'll keep typing liek an idiot

hmm, looking over the $1200 panasoncs I have been looking at, no audio out

ya

you may just need to get a small USB sound card that takes USB in and has a compressor onboard

there's a bunch of them around

tumbleweed: did you upload to the PPA?

usually fairly light, too

mithro: yep

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/905777-RE... Audio Output Connector: RCA pin jack x2 (Ch1/Ch2, 316 mV, 600 Ω)

Title: Panasonic AG-AF100A Digital Cinema Camcorder AG-AF100APJ B (at www.bhphotovideo.com)

I knew there was a reason to spend an extra $500 on that one ;)

don't think there's a huge value in going through a camera just for its compressor and vu meter

but then hdim2usb also isn't really targetted at camera capture

don't forget you need a lens :P

chicago.craigslist.org/chc/pho/5258082657.html $1750

hey.. wheres the http?!

Title: Panasonic AF100 (with 60p UPGRADE) camera + Fujinon lens FULL PACKAGE (at chicago.craigslist.org)

that's a weird looking body

right! it looks like a ray gun

tumbleweed: copied to the other distro versions too?

mithro: yep

I like that putting audio into the camera is a known working everything so that when things are wonky it helps isolate where the problem is. like being able to plug headphones into the camera has become my normal place to monitor audio

tumbleweed: if hdmi2usb isn't targeted at camera capture, how are cameras intended to be captured?

it is targeted at camera capture

I'd have said it's targetted at laptop capture

and could do camera capture, as many cameras output HDMI

not doing audio is a bit of an issue for camera capture :P

you don't need HDMI-out again, so you do have many more capture options

(even if they're all awful)

I was tempted to look into others for Nodeshow, but meh. there isn't a mixer ready

xfxf: i've used 2x HGST Travelstar 1Tb laptop drives for the last 2 years and they have been fine

mithro: would it make sense to collect kicad libs/mods that we create in the tofe template repository?

mithro: your "stick it on github" for the mini-dp was a bit vague :)

seaLne: I mean - just put it up in a temporary github repo or gist or something

ah

mithro: https://gist.github.com/sealne/d50c3411aabfb9e2...

Title: TE-2129320 · GitHub (at gist.github.com)

Guess I should order some of the parts so I can do a paper fit

seaLne: I haven't fogotten i owe you some debugging help. but not now. I need to get to bed.

for a pleasant change its datasheet was pretty understandable

seaLne: BTW how good is your git?

pretty basic

seaLne: okay, let me construct a special repo for the VGA board

I'll basically merge the TOFE template and Rohit's repo

i had some problems with the rename script when i had a quick look yesterday btw https://paste.kde.org/p2mmkquh6

Title: KDE Paste (at paste.kde.org)

not looked at that properly though

having problems trying to do PROG=fpgalink make load

on latest git

Title: Pastebin | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)

and i uninstalled the ixo-usb-jtag package

unsure whether this is how i should still flash the device?

i think its needed for getting to the jtag stage?

i'll brb in about 2 hours to try setup again (have a test setup ready for last day of osdc, keen to attempt recording)

mithro: i'm assuming high speed tofe boards will need to be 4 layer. due to the connections on both sides?

You can't use ixo-usb-jtag with PROG=fpgalink

I'll be around in 30 ish minutes

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seaLne: if your careful you might be able to get away with 2 layer but it isn't worth the effort, the price difference is just not worth the time.

mithro: k, thats what i thought. and trying to debug random problems later wouldn't be fun

seaLne: ask Rohit :-)

heh

speaking of the devil, Hi rohitksingh

[13HDMI2USB-vmodvga] 15mithro pushed 2 new commits to 06master: 02http://git.io/vWH2q

13HDMI2USB-vmodvga/06master 142dfaa90 15Tim 'mithro' Ansell: Removing files which shouldn't be committed.

13HDMI2USB-vmodvga/06master 14a9cdafc 15Tim 'mithro' Ansell: Removing README.md from unused directories.

mithro: hi!

[13HDMI2USB-vmodvga] 15mithro pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/vWH26

13HDMI2USB-vmodvga/06master 14472ffa1 15Tim 'mithro' Ansell: Rename PCB to board.

what am i missing? :)

rohitksingh: preperation for tofe i think

seaLne: oh! awesome! and hi!

hiya

rohitksingh: 07:38:37 @mithro | I'll basically merge the TOFE template and Rohit's repo

good idea! i haven't looked at TOFE template in kicad...lemme check

Title: timvideos/HDMI2USB-TOFE-kicad-template · GitHub (at github.com)

thanks!

rohitksingh: cleaning up your repository a bit

seaLne / rohitksingh: https://github.com/timvideos/HDMI2USB-TOFE-VGA

Title: timvideos/HDMI2USB-TOFE-VGA · GitHub (at github.com)

seaLne: just need to clean up the board directory and move the things which should be libraries into the ../libraries directory

seaLne: let me rephrase that, you'll just need to up the board directory and move the things which should be libraries into the ../libraries directory

k

mithro: thanks

seaLne: you should have push access to that repo

i was assuming i should do things in a fork and file pull requests though as a workflow?

mithro: how are you supposed to have connectors on the edge and have the keepout area? i'd assume connectors are ok in there?

that seems to be the way the pci(e) cards i have lieing around do it

seaLne: merging doesn't work so well with schematics / pcb design

seaLne: so found its better to just use a central repository

seaLne: follow what PCI cards do and you should be fine

rohitksingh: did the vga pass through output work ok?

seaLne: yeah, we have tested it...works well!

atleast with the monitors we tested :)

cool

previously when i'd looked at similar circuitry it was recomended to use transistors and pull up resistors which takes up lots more room

i guess the output isn't really essential for this and if it caused problems you'd just disconnect it

mithro or any others, still around?