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It does not mean that at all no.

So I guess that's my question

If I say invoice->tax = 5%

Then total of invoice + 5%

verl : Did this answer your question? Let me know if that's unclear

If not I apply tax per item level

koopajah: So if I have a subscription for $100/month that has a tax_percent at 6.00 and an additional invoice item of $50, the tax would be $9 (taxed on subscription + invoice item), not $6 (tax on just subscription). Is that correct?

MikeD : you can test this in a few seconds in the dashboard to confirm

verl : that is correct

koopa i am asking not telling

MikeD : I know, that's why I tell you to test this yourself to confirm

verl, I would say from dealing with accounting system a long time. That most of the time. That when an invoice has a tax applied any item that is on that invoice will receive that tax

So Item 1 - 10$ Item 2 - $10 -> Invoice With Tax 10% -- invoice total = $22

Thanks - if I only want the tax applied to the subscription amount then (because the invoiced item is not taxable), is my best bet to listen on the `invoice.created` hook and add it manually as an additional invoice item?

Then most of the time if you need items that are not tax you either need a flag for tax deferal or you would need to tax each item on the invoice indivudally

verl : Yes that would work

well remember a subscription is an ITEM on an invoice. so if you tax the subscription your item level taxing not invoice level taxing

So what you said would work just fine.

MikeD: Got it - so there's no downside of not categorizing something as 'tax' via Stripe as long as we are handling that as needed internally, correct?

(i.e. tax itself can be an invoice item)

? Verl? I am confused? Categorizing something as tax?

verl : that is correct, no downside there beyond your accounting logic having to handle this in a custom way

In this scenario we'd add an invoice item titled 'tax' and the amount of the item would be whatever the tax is.

It can be however this would not be a good idea for reporting on tax (unless you always use the same ID) But also, I don't know if stripe sends reports at the end of the year. If they do then it would be a bad idea to do that as your tax amount will not be reflected and it will be reflected as income

We're not using Stripe's 'tax_percent' feature at all.

koopajah: Perfect, thanks!

when i setup stripe checkout.... i used 5.3.3 version of PHP. Will I need to change anything for it to run on PHP 5.5? Thanks in advance

Can a specific invoice item have `tax_percent` applied to it?

@koopajah, it's a huge deal when it comes to their Accountant having to file an adjustment form at the end of the year because you reported their income higher than it was

verl, yes this is called line item level taxing.

Guest63971 : no it should just work as it

as is

now in stripe I don't know

verl : That is not possible in Stripe today no

I will look that up for you one sec

Or ther eyou go kooopah said it t:p

Thanks. Appreciated.

verl, what country are you in?

US

You're question should be then to stripe (from an accounting and business view). Do you report our income to the IRS? Do you send us a tax statement at the end of the year and file it with the IRS

If their answer is No. Then you're way of adding an item to the invoice manually will work

You will then run a report every month or however often for that one item. Take gross sales - that report and you have your income

Your accountant won't like it unless you automate it for them :p

cron job + 1 function :)

MikeD koopajah Stripe feeds our Quickbooks account. Under this plan we'd log everything processed that was tax so we'd have the number to adjust it by.

verl, as long as you tag that item in QB as taxable and never use it for anything else besides tax then you'd be golden on all your reporting in QB :)

But again, you should still ask the question to Stripe if they report your income

Because if they do, your accountant will have to file a dispute and adjustment form every year.

MikeD : Even if we used Stripe's tax feature, wouldn't we be in the same place as all the money would come into our bank account and we'd be responsible for parsing it (the only difference being we could rely on Stripe's reports rather than our own for categorizing it)?

Verl, it's ALL about IF STRIPE REPORTS YOUR INCOME

For example. Square reports your income

... so it has something to do with Stripe reporting my income?

MikeD : no need to move to all caps.

;)

Why it's very important square you tag things as service or Expense and Tax or nnot tax

Got it!

verl : you can ignore that part, your accountant would know a lot more about this than most people here so talk to them

Koopajah, It would all be solved if you could chime in and tell the user if Stripe reports income or not

And Koopaja, I am an EA. So yeah. :)

MikeD : I don't comment on tax and accounting. I'm a developer, I help with coding questions. It's awesome that you are helping other users, but no need to move to all caps

I think your feelings got hurt for another individual and I was just making a point stand out. I had no anger nor frustration. However I have much frustration with you. Constantly correcting others

I will wait til nicer developers come back and help. I try to avoid the room specifically when you're in it.

Hello! Anybody here?

MikeD : I don't think it's unreasonable of me to ask you not to use all caps in IRC. So please respect that rule, that's all I ask

arnold : yep! What do you need?

I'm testing the custom account creation workflow, but the verification status is stuck at pending. Before, it would go to Extra fields needed, if I did not enter the verification document or personal id number. Now it's just stuck at pending. How do I get out of this stage?

koopajah: Thanks for the help here. It sounds like given that there isn't item-specific tax, regardless of Stripe's reporting we'll need to go the route of tax-listed-as-an-invoice-item, assuming only part of the subscription invoice needs a tax. Sound like I'm understanding that correctly?

verl : yes! We are working on tax at the invoice item level but that's longer term I think so you'd need an option until that at least.

arnold : usually pending is "unstuck" after a few minutes

koopajah: Perfect, muchas gracias!

verl : my pleasure :)

hello?

arnold : usually pending is "unstuck" after a few minutes

Okay, so this is the intended workflow? Before it would update on the second

sometimes it gets backed up in Test mode but it is still pretty fast in most cases. If you contact our support team and send them example account ids (acct_XXX) they can dig into this further

@Karllekko, when you return. It would be great if you could remind me how to tell from the payment.succeeded webhook that it's the first ($0 trial invoice).

MikeD : Best solution is to look at the invoice item for the plan and confirm that it's for $0 even if the plan is not. There's no real flag on the invoice that tells you this invoice is for the trial though it's something we've discussed recently so hopefully we'll make this better in the future

I have some questions about a Stripe Connect / Billing integration.

atlchris : hello! What do you need?

I have a series of questions. First, if I use a header to create a Stripe Billing invoice for a connected account, will I be able to see that invoice from the Platform accounts dashboard?

atlchris : the invoice will live in the connected account's. You can't see it in your account but you can view their dashboard to view it

koopajah How do I access the connected accounts dashboard?

atlchris : you can view the account in the list of connected accounts in your dashboard and then there's a "View dashboard as" button (that only exists in Live mode for Standard accounts)

koopajah : Do I have full access to style and configure the invoices for the connected account?

yes and no. Yes you can, but no you should not use it. Because if you have 1M connected accounts, then it's impossible to do manually

koopajah If I need to handle credits and coupons, would those have to be handled at the connected account level?

yes everything is at the connected account level

When applying a credit to an invoice, is it possible to delineate a connected account credit vs a platform fee credit?

koopajah When applying a credit to an invoice, is it possible to delineate a connected account credit vs a platform fee credit?

I don't know what you mean by that

koopajah Say the platform has a $20 fee and the Connected account has a $100 line item ($120) total. When creating the invoice would it be possible to apply a $10 credit towards the fee, so the connected account would still get its full $100 but the platform account would only get $10?

Or vice versa

in that case you would just decrease or increase your application fee on the invoice that's all.

koopajah: As I dig in deeper to the tax side, I think we may be able to handle this on the subscription level after all using 'tax_percent'. When doing so, does this automatically add an additional line item to the invoice?

koopajah I appreciate the help. Thank you. I might be back with some more question.

verl : it does not. It simply sets the tax_percent on the *whole* invoice. so any extra invoice item you add will also get taxed.

atlchris : happy to help!

koopajah: Got it - so for showing this on our custom receipts, while we won't be able to relying on our existing loop through of the line items, we should be able to reference the tax amount on the invoice object and still display it. Correct?

verl : I don't think so no but I'm not sure I understand what you meant.

koopajah: Let me ask it differently. Does retrieving an invoice (https://stripe.com/docs/api#retrieve_invoice) allow us to isolate how much tax was on that invoice?

Oh hey look - there's `tax` and `tax_percent` included there.

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I'm not a strong reader. Thanks :)

verl : that depends really. If you use `tax_percent` then yes there's https://stripe.com/docs/api#invoice_object-tax but you will not be using this because that does not work for you so that won't help

koopajah: Yes, this is assuming it works for us taxing the entire invoice, not just the subscription (which I think may end up working for us after all)

verl : gotcha, in that case yes

:thumbsup:

koopajah One other question, if I have web hooks related to invoices would I need to configure the webhooks on each of the connected accounts where I am creating invoices?

koopajah One other question, if I have webhooks related to invoices would I need to configure the webhooks on each of the connected accounts where I am creating invoices?

atlchris : no, you would add a Connect webhook endpoint to your account to get events from all connected accounts: https://stripe.com/docs/connect/webhooks

Thanks.

koopajah When a credit is applied to an invoice is it taken form the line items first, or the platform fee first?

Hi all. In stripe charge event data, is there a flag that tells whether the authorization expired or not?

atlchris : it is never taken from the platform fee, so it's really just discounted from the invoice's total and the customer is just charged less

Thanks.