#stripe

which has a bunch of nasty compliance issues

the only time I ever make charges through the dashboard is to debug stuff

(and most of those are fake charges in test mode)

s/most/all

Can we take an existing order from the past, open it up, and initiate a new authorization for a new dollar amount?

you can't take a charge, and modify it, but if you've got a customer object with a card stored on it, you can make a new charge with that card

thats the act of rebilling i meant then, cool

ah, gotcha

sorry for the roundabout explanation here, then ;)

im not seeing that option when i view an existing payment

yeah, you need to start with a customer, not a payment

usually that flow looks like: create a customer, make the first payment using that customer

then you can rebill the customer later as well

ok im viewing a customer now from the customer list

ah then "create payment"

exactly

ok so i just got a new order, about 11 minutes ago.

In magento its showing as completed. But he's nowhere to be found in Stripe

His order, rather

his PAYMENT :)

hehe

ah nevermind, paypal

ah

another dumb question

I understand someone coming to my magento store, registering an account, and maybe not buying anything.

In that case I'd have maybe 5 orders right now and 6 "customers"

But in Stripe I am seeing 4 charges .... and 10 customers. How is that possible? Doesn't stripe only create a customer when they make a payment?

no, that's totally possible

a) you can create customer with card info, and then never charge the card

b) you can create a customer without any card info at all

I havent created any customers if you mean me

just as a stub record (possibly for a trial subscription, or something of that ilk)

I say "you" in the general sense

but presumably the magento plugin is creating customers

You're saying a customer can come to my magento store and set up themselves as a stripe customer without ordering anything?

as a customer in stripe*

I'm saying that it's a thing that the magento plugin *could* do

it's an educated guess, really

Ok well im wondering about this situation right now

Im seeing 4 orders and 10 customers and i dont understand why

if you look at those customers, do they have a card attached to them?

if they don't that would help us puzzle this out

Ok i just figured it out.

That is really ... really strange.

The guy who registered on my store and never interacted with Stripe ... and paid with Paypal ... just ended up in Stripe as a "customer"

fascinating

Not sure what i think about that

and does that customer have a card attached to it?

No he paid with paypal

well, that's almost preferable

but still super weird

So stripe is snooping on other payments with other payment processors on my store.

not at all

for some reason, the magento plugin has taken it upon itself to create a stripe customer for each of your customers, even though they're not paying with stripe

I have no idea why the plugin would do that, but that's clearly what's happening

How do we know who is initiating the action really

it can't possibly be from stripe's end

Why not?

how would stripe know that you've accepted a payment through some completely separate system?

paypal sure isn't telling them - stripe and paypal are competitors, and don't much like each other

Its hooked into the magento system. It could be magento doing it, or stripe doing it.

it's not hooked into magento in the way that you think it is

Its possible the stripe API has a "feature" whereby it "helps you out by giving you a complete customer list in your stripe dashboard"

I can say that Magento has been tied to Cybersource, Authorize.net, Paypal, and Bitcoin(BitPay) ...and it isnt doing this with any of them.

magento can talk to the api, and cause actions to be taken in the stripe api, but stripe isn't hooked into magento, and can't cause magento to do things

the API must have the ability to accept information with zero credit card information.

it is super weird that this happens only with stripe, but the only place this could be coming from is magento

Otherwise it wouldn't come through blank

Stripe would require cc info

it does have the ability to create customers with no CC

Why didnt you say that until now lol

I did say that...

Not in the context of it being automated. You were responding about manual.

that's not really what I meant, but sorry for the confusion

This has to be intentional on stripes part. I am looking through the documentation.

SInce this is a stripe API, magento can only do what Stripe allows. Thats why Im saying this is a stripe feature, most likely

Not a weird magento behavior.

stripe absolutely allows the api to be used to create customers with no CC

but magento has to ask for those customers to be created (or something/someone does)

Then stripe should have an option to "yes/no" enable this in the magento/stripe api admin settings

maybe

that would be on the magento admin side

If the customer is selecting paypal, then somehow stripe is getting its meathooks on the customer information.

that's not within stripe's control

magento would not be sending stripe information for any reason

I feel like we're going round and round in circles here

here is what I can tell you as an absolute certainty:

well you're basically saying that its all magentos fault, and im basically saying I bet this is a bug with the Stripe API

stripe cannot suck data out of magento - it has to be provided by something or someone

i bet if I email support I will be told that they need to restrict that from happening

there's a weird mish mash of "fault" versus "push" versus "pull" in this situation. only the people who made the API can explain it. But I dont think Magento is hijacking the stripe API and doing something abnormal. Its very possible the stripe API is connected to customer data and erroneously importing it.

I know you feel magento is pushing it.

I dunno - you're welcome to email support about this to confirm

but I've worked with the API for a long time, and I'm very sure that there just doesn't exist a "pipe" for data to flow in the way that you're saying

if you look at the records for each of those customers, there should be a set of logs detailing the history of the customer

you can look at the log of the request which created the customer

that log will have a timestamp, and the signature of a particular api client

for magento, I'd expect to see a request from stripe-php, since magento is a php thing

hello, I am trying to update our terms of service so that users can add bank accounts to their account and have money transfered to them

where would the snippet i need from stripe?

hello?

tvthomas: wouldn't the TOS be on your site?