#selenium

well i am, for development, under OSX. I am not sure i set the chrome binary location as an option for the jar or in the PHP code

The path to the driver executable must be set by the webdriver.chrome.driver system property; for more information, see https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/selenium/wiki/Chr....

i guess, i am looking for the latter one right?

driver != browser binary

yeah mixed that up

the driver is the driver, ie chromedriver, geckodriver, iedriver

browser is chrome, firefox, ie

eugenmayer: they're two different binaries. one is the driver, one is the browser itself.

not sure i downloaded the cromedriver already

you can as jim said just pass it into chromeoptions

webdriver.chrome.binary...i think

or there might just be a setBinary method on chromeoptions

ok let me try to sort things. For running a selenium browser test i need selenium-standalone.jar and for each browser a *driver and of course, the browser being installed. Right?

and when starting standalone, i tell it, where to find the driver(s)

were would i point myself as "RTFM" and would find the informations - i must missed that completely

using java -jar selenium-server-standalone-3.1.0.jar --help i cant see how to set the path to webdriver.chrome.driver .. is it -Dwebdriver.chrome.driver=<path> ?

eugenmayer: yes. exactly so. however, the -D<arg> *must* come before the -jar <jarpath> argument on the command line.

ok did that, one step further, still failing though. Lets google what this is

that will set the chromedriver path

which is *nothing* to do with the chrome binary path

i see that

that seems like a chromedriver issue. Hell is there one stable one?

2.9 is ancient.

the ol version numbering confusion

we're up to 2.27, i think?

mmhmm

eugenmayer: in this case, 2.27 > 2.9

:D

hromedriver --version

Starting ChromeDriver (v2.9.248307) on port 9515

eugenmayer: that will never work

get 2.27

eugenmayer: you want 2.27, but it's not at the bottom of the download page.

because string sort-order.

i just did download the latest one?

nope

string ordering doesnt work for versioning

if you downloaded the link at the bottom of the list, then no, it's not the latest one.

ARG. thank you apache index.

:D

sorry guys.

always check the LATEST_RELEASE file :)

That was utterly stupod.

...quite

XD

sorry, the "stupod" got me

hehe, happily infected you :)

o nooooes..

works great!

latest release is at the top there :)

for next time

what are you guys using ( if any does php selenium tests ). I am on phpunit + facebook/webdriver (now the community branch..not master..me stupid). Are you guys using steward or codeception?

ew, php.

eugenmayer: just so you know, php are not officially supported bindings in the selenium world

the facebook bindings are good, but they arent in the official list that gets the standard selenium tests run against them

ok, well i guess the java bindings are quiet good right

yup

:api

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^ those are the official bindings

its not like i do care much about that, i have seen a really good java integration, also in IntellJ

with the docs to match

Interesting, having about 2k lines of PHP code, would you suggest me to rather switch to Java here?

that isnt my decision to make

i dont know why you used php, which you're more familiar with, which your company is familiar with

i know, but we are talking about tests which will last for a while. If PHP is not the language to be supported in the long run

its a dead horse

we do it all, from java to php to c#, in this case, the programmer in charge was only doing PHP

2k lines isnt that much imo

but now we are taking over the work as the main branch so now developer are in charge and they do c#/java/php/ruby

if you have a choice, do it with an officially supported language

i guess things like waitUntilElementPresent are available?

though maybe not the js ones..theyre a bit opaque and difficult for people not intimately familiar with promises etc

Is anyone working on a w3c implementation of a php library at this point?

there is a w3c spec for the bindings?

WhereIsMySpoon: i will not switch from PHP to JS

i.e. are there any non-default libraries that work with Firefox 48+ at this point?

eugenmayer: you can do waits easily with java using webdriverwait

and expectedconditions

Ruby is easy to write in and more object oriented than PHP. :)

WhereIsMySpoon: JS is the worse from all of the named. We have a lot of JS knowhow here, but rather doing typoscript2 with angular2 or at least coffeescript. Still nobody has ever had fun with JS

typoscript.. xD

titusfortner-sl: you are either not aware of PHP or ruby

titus writes the ruby bindings

I dabbled in PHP 12 years ago

i think he knows about ruby

For sure ruby is not more object orientaed then PHP7. Ruby is the one following Javascript next.

hmm, 14 years ago

Yeah, he knows ruby, but then he does not compare it objectivly.

Fair. I'm comparing it to much older versions of PHP

i do not care about any of those, and we have big rails ( actually jruby ) apps here. Beside we do all our devops in ruby/thor ( great stuff there ). After the ruby jorney i consider it to be the worse designed language next to javascript

titusfortner-sl: old php was like you probably mentioned. from 5.2 things are a lot better.

that being said PHP was historically a procedural language that was extended with OO, rather than being designed with OO from scratch :)

so I would still argue Ruby as being more OO.

PHP has a better OOP design then ruby has, by margin or galaxies. And i am not protecting PHP here at all.

ruby is as bad as it gets, rails helps you a bit, but in the end, it all comes down to "include <module> your ass off"

it's one approach to keeping classes small and managing multiple inheritence

and there is no http://yardoc.org/ to help you. Press "cmd+b" and see all .delete functions ever have been implemented in your gems. Thats how i think of it

Ruby has a lot of ways to design things

Ruby has a lot of ways a javascript has. Having zero structure, zero constrains

We use yardoc in our Ruby projects

cmd+b are you talking an IDE specifically?

well compare yardoc with PHPdoc and the IDE support. I would rather pick yardoc to be close to useless then. But well, it deals with ruby, so it does its best here

anyway, whatever. Sorry you've had a bad experience with Ruby.

sorry "go to defintion"

titusfortner-sl: i am fine with ruby, as long as its a thor-based tool. And its small - more tiny. That said, we have more then 30k lines of ruby here, i would tend to more. But still, we have about 500k PHP or more and about 100k of java and even Cpp, so we are comparing them all

ability to meta-program makes that tricky since it often can't be evaluated until runtime

it's a feature and a hurdle

yeah, makes the "software" unmaintable, no static code analysis

I would disagree, just presents different challenges

Its a hurdle since you cannot ever work on a ruby project with a bigger, changing team. You have to really have deep knowledge about the implemented tools, gems, what is what, navigating entirely without the IDE. That needs so much KB, that it becomes close to impossible over time

The biggest issue with bigger projects is when people fail to follow conventions and don't know enough of what they are doing to design things well

but I get that isn't a trivial issue

but you do need to be handy with a debugger

debugger is like the first tool to have, and without, you basically can burry yourself, in Ruby and also PHP

i would really challenge you to check PHP for comparance. Not to make you switch or anything, i do not have any PHP buyin or anything religios. But knowdays ruby has fallen of a lot.

It has been pretty sleek and cool 2005, but well, 10 years later, nothing essential changed. Maybe its like perl, for substantial changes it well need more then decades, until its actually dead :)

Anyways, was not at all an offense to you titusfortner-sl - thanks for the controversy.

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lol, no worries from me, I like talking these things.

but yes, Ruby popularity has gone down with decreased Rails adoption

that being said, Watir has been around longer than Rails, and that's my primary software

actually more pure Ruby in many ways than Rails

which opts for much more DSL magic obfuscations

Dangit, lucast how does on flip zee table?