#selenium

So many things for me to learn

titusfortner-sl: in python its so simple

but to me its just as simple as in Ruby

but I might be old skool

I'm looking at it from the perspective ooh Watir that adds a bunch of useful functionality

I mean, I used selenium directly for two and a half years before finding Watir

what does watir give you?

Easier to read locators, additional locators, better page synchronization, element abstraction for handling stale and dynamic elements... Automatic iframe handling, more useful error messages

automatic iframe handling, that's useful

It was my talk proposal for the conference that was turned down

page synchronization really depends on the site though

that's too bad.

Definitely

:/

titusfortner-sl: the automatic iframe handling must make tests slow

even if it wasn't automatic, but it had some sort of boilerplate to navigate iframes that would be useful

But, under the idea of 'do what I mean' clicks and things should be willing to wait by default for present before falling, but not wait for other things

Speed of execution isn't as important as reliable tests, or easy to write and understand code

And you still have to specify iframe

Just don't switch into and switch out of

Explicitly

I'm behind on my blog postings

lukeis: hey, that email was @seleniumhq.org right?

yes

titusfortner-sl: we have PyPOM for base page objects in python btw

saw your conversation with AutomatedTester in the archives

oh, PyPOM got mentioned :)

davehunt you wrote PyPOM right? are regions shared objects?

dude-x: sure, why not?

i see them implemented as inner classes

just a convention, they can be in their own modules

everytime i hear POM… i can only think of http://static.pomwonderful.com/uploads/products...

heh

I'm so bad at naming things :)

We have BIDPOM, FxAPOM, now PyPOM :P

davehunt: got a thanks for signing up email… but didn't have anything to click on to 'verify' the account

lukeis: okay, cool

FlynnID is still my favourite project name. It registered nodes to Selenium Grid. In Tron, you need Flynn's Identity Disc to connect to the Grid. :P

or something like that

yes ;) i liked that name too… but it was hard to remember

pytest-mozwebqa has to be the worst thing I named :D

oh that's the reference

lucast, lukeis: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/SeleniumHQ/sele... should be all set up now.. just need a pull request or commit to trigger a build

am I correct that as of 2.53.0 python did not support HTTPS connections?

[13selenium] 15ltoinel opened pull request #3177: Ignore the IOException (06master...06master) 02https://git.io/v1t2M

davehunt - nice!

good timing.. https://ci.appveyor.com/project/SeleniumHQ/sele...

facepalm on that PR....

@lukeis can you help me to get this merged? https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/selenium/pull/421

I don't see the conflict

the branch needs to be rebased

the conflict will show in git

errant_rider: also… i'm not really doing the pythons here anymore… ask another committer :)

oh ur not?

who's in charge?

AutomatedTester still around?

i've never been "in charge" :)

noone is really