#selenium

alright, i need to look into that. I'm pretty new to this stuff.

jimevans: Why my that be?

*might

cause they'll cause a stale element exception if they change

Aaaah, I should eat something. Can't type any more.

i wrote a crawler once doing this...

i'll crawl you

oooooh, I see what you mean.

WhereIsMySpoon: You promise? :P

always

persist the target location in a set :)

sets (unique) cause a list will be duplicates ;)

WhereIsMySpoon, - in my use case. the test sites implement javascript to generate the page.... so i would expect the underlying browser engine (ff/chrome) to be pretty much the same speed now

mydog2: that is not an answer anyone in the world can give generically

try again when you've solved the halting problem

i feel overwhelmed at not understanding this -.- suggestions on where to learn some more?

steve__: Here?

steve__: Really depends on what you don't understand.

WhereIsMySpoon, - the actual desktop "test" of ff/chrome is close enough.. in terms of testing.. so I would expect the sel/py + browser to be similar.. I've not seen anything to indicate a diff.. thought i'd ask here as well. thanks

most of it, im pretty new. I have made 3 tests for our website, but its basically just checking out cart functionality. making sure you can reach it via search and via clicking home page icons.

Is it Selenium you're having issues with, or the language?

uh probably both then. I went through a selenium course on udemy and have been trying to apply most of that to my tests

that used c#

I've never heard of udemy. Didn't know there was a course.

What are you using?

Visual Studio, c#

Are you not familiar with C#?

not particularly any language. I know some basic things, but i dont have a coding background really.

Ah, okay. Well I personally adore C#, but most of the examples you'll find for Selenium are in Java. They're reasonably simliar, but will require some tweaking to make them work.

Try checking out CodeCademy, that can help you get familiar with the basics of a bunch of languages. After that just see about setting up a series of simple tests to get familiar with it. Once you're comfy then you can go for bigger game.

Unless you're an idiot like me and you let your boss tell you what language you're going to work in. Pick one that you're comfortable using.

I was doing stuff with ruby and really liked it, but the udemy course was going through with visual studio and c# so I just followed along

pick the language the app is written in too :) the developers of the app should also be updating/writing selenium tests

hahaha.. this is an ooooold company.

lukeis: PFFFFFFFTTTT, you're so funny. *rflmao*

change your company or change your company :)

Do you know how long it took to get them to actually test their changes at all before commiting them? XD

facebook / google / salesforce (which i am) engineers all have to write tests

basically got hired on to do data entry, and told them I could help with automation testing (they all clicked by hand before)

steve__: My QA group basically just clicks. I'm also the only one really working on automation. Couple of the others have been using something called TestComplete, but that's kinda weird.

we're going to be redoing the site in Polymer. It was originally created in ColdFusion.

is it possibly to multi-browser selenium with python to speed up tests?

e.g. have 10 or 20 running simultaneously

Possible? I'm pretty sure you can. I'm not sure if it's a good idea.

yeah

Lord_Drake: oh, we've got TestComplete in here. Basically a cheaper, less polished, roughly as unstable version of HP UFT.

Dritz: Never used HP UFT.

i should have worded it better

but that said it supports our legacy product and HP doesn't

Lord_Drake: consider yourself fortunate :V

Same, the product they use it on was written in flash. So Selenium isn't an option.

Yeah I looked at TestComplete and said 'nope'.

I actually like TC more than UFT, from an interface perspective, but it has some major issues in its integration plugins

DrPeeper, -- running multiple/simultaneous instances of browser/webdriver witin py...

doable...

you need to capacity plan for the resources..

maybe git is okay, but the TFS stuff put unnecessary information into the mappings and screwed things up constantly; it was like they expected only one person to ever work on the tests, and put system-specific info in

depends on the cpu/ram

24 cores and 128GB ram should be sufficient

Dritz: Now that's just stupid.

DrPeeper, - year..

was hoping to find an example of how it could be done.. aside from running screen and ./test.py 20 times

and the HP Quality Center integration was... so, so bad. Literally exported as a zip file that was stored in QC, with a script that extracted and attempted to execute them, and expected all of your tests and object repositories and *everything* to be in one giant project, which it supported poorly.

I ended up writing our own QC harness so we didn't have to use theirs.

i've tested simple instances of running multiple "copies" of webdriver/ff and had 2-3/core running.. on a 1G test

QC being HP's application lifecycle management thing that tracks test coverage and status

Dritz: That sounds... messy.

others have reported the 2/3 instance/core ratio as well...

i suppose I could just write a one-liner bash to encapsulate and drop them in the bg

e.g. for blah ; do ./test.py & ; done

or in this case

in my case.. i simply wanted to fire up the test url.. with no real testing on the returned source

DrPeeper: you use grid and have a test runner spin up multiple tests in different threads for you

that sounds magic

nawh

oh, selenium grid! never heard of it.. look promising

thans

I'm not sure if I should feel pity, or disgust for the IeWebdriver....

DrPeeper what test framework do you use?

anybody can use the brand new html runner? I can't run anything with it (on windows) :(

wow! a commit by dawagner!

he broke it too

schweeeeeeet

it's a flaky test...

Lord_Drake: Any suggestions on how to learn the looping/creating an array for sitemap like we said earlier? Do I just look into C# loops or what?

Sitemap?

i need to make a test that grabs all site map links and clicks them, then checks to make sure that none of them have errors in console

Oh, links on your application?

Are you hard coding the links, or are you trying to find them on your site, then build an array?

yeah. Basically I go to our companies webpage sitemap, then clicking them.

ideally i would build them into an array