#selenium

It is possible?

yep

We are using 10 nodes for file uploading

we can reduce no of nodes due to shortage of nodes problem

If it is possibe, how to change the port

:google selenium change port node

Selenium-Grid — Selenium Documentation: http://www.seleniumhq.org/docs/07_selenium_grid...

blah

Pushparaj: use -port

ok

I read the above page , it is not clear

can please send that code

you don't say...the point in automated browser test is but...automation? like stupid repetition of loggin in to an account and going to a page to retrieve x. So now i can employ a 'programmer' to implement that script or i can employ the working student in aramaic languages to deliver the framework for the procedure. WHo will be cheaper?

Pushparaj: when u start the node with java -jar ....etc use -port

ok i will check and then back to you

fluor_: because clearly all your automated tests will comprise of a "stupid repitition of loggin in to an account and going to a page to retrieve x"

fluor_: and also because i would strongly suspect there are better and more reliable ways of accomplishing that. also "cheaper" is relative. what happens when the page structure changes and your script breaks?

^ for a programmer, someone who is an automation engineer, it might take 1 minute to fix the selector

for some random dude you picked up, maybe it takes half an hour

or maybe 15 minutes say

thats 15-30x the time taken

15-30x the cost

and maybe if you employed that programmer before, he would have coded it so it wouldnt evne have broken in the first place

so you wouldnt even need to spend any money at all

but with using the ide and record-playback, you get brittle, high maintenance tests

but hey, what do i know? i'm just some guy. no reason to suppose that i may have some experience in this area. maybe i'm just in it to preserve an elitist point of view. whatever.

ha.

On that note, if a developer is making a change to the page then the developer could also update the selector / change the page to confirm it now works as expected...

jimevans: but testing is a money sink and waste of time, i just need it cheap!

cheap, fast, quality. pick any two.

sometimes not even that many ;)

AutomatedTester: java and .net releases incoming in about 20 minutes.

jimevans: <3

[13selenium] 15jimevans pushed 3 new commits to 06leg-rc: 02https://git.io/voNqj

13selenium/06leg-rc 14135b6f5 15Jim Evans: Adding *.VC.db (Visual Studio temp file) to .gitignore

13selenium/06leg-rc 1415fe5fc 15Jim Evans: .NET bindings version 2.53.1 to work with Firefox 47.0.1

13selenium/06leg-rc 143da6b38 15Jim Evans: Release 2.53.1 to work with Firefox 47.0.1

AutomatedTester: done. will need lukeis to push to maven.

i think luke is still in india?

errant_rider: he's trying to make his way back home.

he was in manchester yesterday

as long as its not by way of Turkey

thats a horrorshow

jimevans: my condolences to him

his plane got diverted due to a medical emergency.

that sucks for all involved

that sucks too

hey, i just passed 1000 followers on twitter! how about that.

"what happens when the page structure changes and your script breaks?" Well there are still people studying latin or ancient greek...

jimevans: what is ur twitter?

The same could be said for making something so brittle you have to refactor every time you make a code change

liuedx: @jimevansmusic

there are still people making things that don't scale well

I will be 1001

liuedx: actually, i think you'll be 1002, but welcome aboard anyway. :)

"but testing is a money sink and waste of time, i just need it cheap!" programming is as well, don't you notice?

lol, not fast enough

fluor_: i'm not sure what argument you're trying to make. then again, i'm pretty stupid, so i'm sure it's just me.

fluor_: wat.

fluor_: if you dont like programming, and you dont like automation, then why are you here

go troll somewhere else

jimevans: I just being ur 1002 follower

so i see!

who wants to be my 46th follower???

but right now, i need MOAR COFFEE!

smccarthy: I want

i was asking if there is someone here who maintains selenium ide, when i was infused by an opinion that simple automation has no value, basically. I tried to keep up the argument to give supporter the opportunity to join, but there is noone, so ill probably leave soon and go look @ ibm automation

coffee sounds so good

https://twitter.com/shawnmccarthy0 is me

fluor_, I think you misunderstood

fluor_: you've misunderstood, again

but feel free to go look at other stuff

jimevans, that sounds like a great idea

smccarthy #46 whoop

03jayakumarc closed [Python] Allow finding firefox binary at ProgramFiles(x86) on windows(64 bit). - https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/selenium/pull/46 []

fluor_: i never said "simple automation has no value." i said that i don't believe in record-playback as a paradigm for creating reliable, maintainable tests.

and u used that to support that it is reasonable to habe ide unmaintained, didnt u? so accordingly r-p automation is worthless for being unreliable amd anmaintainable. --> let ide go bunk, who cares?

what is the best practice for selenium automation?

I'm trying to get selenium server running with htmlunit, but I am unable to get selenium to discover the htmlunit driver.

java -cp selenium-server-standalone-2.53.0.jar;htmlunit-driver-standalone-2.21.jar org.openqa.grid.selenium.GridLauncher <server options>

fluor_: you're going to find it difficult to find people to refute that statement

i certainly wouldnt care

i think there's still a couple of the core team who care about hte ide

does not work for me with the `;` because it says the htmlunit.jar command is not found, and if I replace that with a `:`, then the server starts up but is unable to find the htmlunit driver.

fluor_: no, i didn't say it was reasonable for that either. i simply said that it *is* mostly unmaintained. i did not say that's a desirable state of affairs.

but, as a fully volunteer project, people work on what they believe in and are passionate about.

Speaking of the IDE

jimevans: i thought hte majority didnt really care that much about maintaining it

aupiff, are you french?

doesnt it have a webdriver export function?

why does https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/htmlunit-driver have a semicolon in the middle of its classhpath command?

thatguy: no, just a francophile

no one on the current core team is passionate about maintaining IDE, thus it is currently mostly unmaintained.

i thought simon still was

he just doesnt want to actually maintain it himself

IKnowWhereYourSpoonIs: that's what i wnted to know coming here. How much does it cost deploying selenium for simple r-p automation: buy a dev team.

fluor_: we're saying -dont do- r-p automation

do proper automation

that's up to me, isn't it?

WhereIsMySpoon: actually, there is/was a replacement for the current ide code base ("selenium builder"), but getting that project ported into the selenium project has stalled, once again, because of a lack of anyone willing to step up and do it.

...yes...we're not going to come over and force you

jimevans: aye im aware of that project too, just thought simon was still advocating for ide

IDE serves a (very limited, and often misunderstood) purpose.

XgizmoX_: yes, it does have an option to export to webdriver code, but due to its legacy nature and its long history with selenium rc, that export is often less than ideal.

does anyone here use the htmlunit driver?

Probably better to start from scratch I would assume

XgizmoX_: yes

jimevans: can you explain me what the purpose is ?

XgizmoX_: and the problem is with the unrealistic expectation that it will be perfect and need no modification.

thatguy: it *can* be useful as a starting point, as long as the user is willing to understand that the end goal is actual code, to be modified and maintained a source code.

I was thinking it could be used to get the structure up and going and then come back through and replace things that arent as flexible with more flexible code

XgizmoX_: not really

you'll end up rewriting most of it every time

it isnt worth it

I had my suspicions

jimevans: ty, I'm glad to know that I've used it for the right purpose

XgizmoX_: the challenge is that out of the box, ide doesn't support many of the things you'd require for maintainability. like branching (if-else), looping (for, foreach, while), or the ability to modularize (functions or methods)

or the ability to integrate it nicely into a test framework/reporting framework

there have been some efforts to create plugins for ide that address some of those shortcomings, but by the time you've added all the things you really need, you've basically invented your own programming language anyway.

so why not use a language that already exists, and has the benefit of other libraries, extensive testing and documentation, and larger user base?

Makes sense

To me anyway ;)

which language would you propose then?