#pyramid

hmm. I use `pyramid.includes = ... pyramid_mailer.debug` but email are still sent, not saved to file http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid-...

mail.queue_path = %(here)s/data/mail

the folder data/mail exists

I use production mail.{host, port, password} but what for is `pyramid_mailer.debug`?

`config.registry['mailer'] = Mailer.from_settings(settings)` in __init__

Do you have a config.include('pyramid_mailer') somewhere in your code?

That is overriding the debug one?

x58, no, I don't have include override. Does there any kind of autoload possible?

*I don't have manual include override

Then unfortunately I don't know what's going on.

use the debug toolbar and look at the globals tab

and see what's loaded and what's configured

pyramid-mailer/debug.py file is definitely loaded (breakpoint is hitted)

inklesspen, I openned debug toolbar (red icon) at local site in browser. I clicked Global tab but I don't know where can I see loaded modules.

you have to make a request first before the global tab fills in. it's weird.

second row tabs: Introspection Routes Settings Tweens Versions

no `pyramid_mailer` word at Introspection tab

inklesspen, what do you mean?

which request?

thanks for your guidance, btw

d9k_: For debug purposes I personally run python -m Smtp or whatever it is, and point pyramid_mailer at that.

x58, ok, that will be my last resort.

Something strange is going on. Why is there `404` near `GET /_debug_toolbar` at the left pane in debug toolbar? http://imgur.com/DMpnPSo

the toolbar opens at new tab

http://imgur.com/621uWAS here is Global/Introspection tab. There is no "mailer" word

switch to settings tab

look for pyramid.includes

pyramid.includes '\npyramid_mailer.debug\npyramid_debugtoolbar\npyramid_tm\npyramid_beaker\npyramid_jinja2'

thanks!

debug works, but there is pyramid_mailer.debug in list

there no other "mailer" word at the page

is `pyramid.includes` value correct?

what statement can I execute in IDE to see which modules are actually loaded?

pyramid.includes is correct. It gets parsed, and include() gets called on them.

in IDE's "evaluate expression" debugger window I mean

there is `config.registry.registerUtility(mailer, IMailer)` at pyramid_mailer/debug.py

but I use manual `config.registry['mailer'] = Mailer.from_settings(settings)` in my_test_app.__init__

That may break it...

oh...

Were is Mailer coming from?

from pyramid_mailer import Mailer?

You'd have to replace that with from pyramid_mailer.debug import Mailer I would assume

yes

or something similar.

You don't have to do Mailer.from_settings(settings) though

if you pyramid.includes it.

Since it will do that for yo.

pyramid makes me to look at it's insides so often..

d9k_: why?

I don't think that fair:

Configuration

If you configure a Mailer using from_settings() or via config.include('pyramid_mailer'), you can pass the settings from your Paste .ini file. For example:

Is in the documentation.

yes...?

It states there are two ways to create a Mailer. You were trying to use both.

ztane: ?

ah sorry :P

thought you were d9k_ :P

x58m, ok, I got it

thanks a lot :)

anyway, I've found that pyramid and addons are one of the libs where I need to peek the source the least

s/one/some/

just wondering

There are some things that I wish were documented better. I should start writing them down when I do dive into the source code.

It's just wild opensource world :) I must become get used to thought that everything may happen

and fix it by myself..

I came from Yii background, Yii is popular so that's easy to google tons of threads solving almost any possible problem on yii forums.

Same thing with Zend Framework, or CakePHP or What's that other one, Composer something or other.

But I must confess that I already like Pyramid :) And this conference is great. Thanks!

pyramid employs number of other packages.. and most of the problems that people have with pyramid have nothing to do with pyramid itself 8)

Yeah, you'll need to dive into the source code more, but that will give you a much better understanding of what is going on, and why.

Thereby hopefully allowing you to architect your application in a simpler and easier fashion.

I'll do my best)

working with request is handled by webob. deploy settings and middleware/app composition - pastedeploy. templating - whatever you have choosen. database - whatever you have choosen. form handling - ditto...

Speaking of which, I really need to fix the one last bug I wanted to fix and then release 1.5.0 of WebOb.

pyramid itself handles app configuration, request routing, security and view invocation

the bug is fixed, thanks to all!

*the bug in my code

mail debug mode works

ah just remembered... wonder what is the rationale of using 0.0.0.0 for the development.ini in scaffolds

some servers default to 127.0.0.1

0.0.0.0 means bind to all available IPv4 addresses

Whereas 127.0.0.1 only binds to localhost.

yes... I've known that since the last millennium, but that is like the most annoying default for a dev server.

why?

Personally I think it is an awesome default, so when I type in my "hostname.local" into my browser things just work (127.0.0.1 is not advertised over mDNS)

because if I am devving on a laptop then by default that exposes my pyramid services to whoever.

You don't have an appropriate firewall up and running?

you know, binding to localhost still exposes them to whoever...

unless you're on bsd

It does what now?

If you bind to 127.0.0.1 it is not exposed to the internet.

it still is

Prove it.

yeah could be possible that with IP forwarding, you can get a packet to 127.0.0.1

not that it will be very useful

Not by default.