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      • andy___
        what it means this " :logger: console??
      • in hiera.yml
      • in hiera.yaml
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      • mistermocha
        class foo { require class ::bar } .... class foo { class { '::bar': } -> Class['foo'] } ... are those effectively the same?
      • cscheib
        binford2k: you did the content for the Windows training course, didn't you? That's not considered entry level, right? (I'm presenting on available resources to learn puppet for my PUG)
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      • binford2k
        cscheib yes, I'm reviewing it right now for a release in the next week
      • or wait
      • the windows virutal course or in fundamentals?
      • windows in fundamentals is what I'm working on now
      • cscheib
        the virtual course... but either.
      • binford2k
        I did some work on the windows virtual course, but was not primary owner. I did some reviews and content cleanups
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      • the virtual course is not entry level, it expects fundamentals or equivalent experieince
      • cscheib
        that's what I thought, thx
      • binford2k
        np
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      • andy___
        where can I find virtual course?
      • cscheib
        andy___: puppetlabs.com, click "learn" at the top
      • andy___
        is it also free for newbie?
      • cscheib
        no
      • but, there is some free learning content
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      • in the "Puppet Labs Workshop"
      • andy___
        ok
      • binford2k
        lms courses are free, but they're smaller & limited content
      • also, the learning vm is a great resource
      • andy___
        where can I find this lms courses?
      • cscheib
        learning vm ++
      • binford2k
        same place, it's all found at https://puppetlabs.com/learn
      • andy___
        yes I'm using this vm
      • :)
      • cscheib
        I can give you my presentation after I'm done with it, too :P
      • that's what it's all about... places to go to learn or improve your skills.
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      • binford2k
        cscheib that'd be cool. I'd love to get a semi-curated library of user group presentation material
      • I don't know who'd be responsible for managing it though :/
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      • andy___
        I have this code in my defaults.yaml http://pastebin.com/PmiCB3hf
      • cscheib
        I've been meaning to talk to Kara or Meg... Kara had talked about doing some cross pollination of user group stuff in her Puppetconf workshop, binford2k
      • andy___
        how can read the Xmx variable with hiera from shell?
      • cscheib
        I'm interested in seeing what presentations other UG's will come up with as well
      • binford2k: I'll probably mirror all of my group's stuff on my (crappy) website at some point
      • binford2k
        cscheib I am looking directly at both of them gabbing away. Should I tell them to reach out, or you just want to ping them when you're ready
      • ?
      • cscheib
        binford2k: sure. Tell them Chris from Detroit UG says hi and is interested in discussing how UG's should share data and experience
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      • binford2k
        kk
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      • cscheib they're excited to hear how it goes :)
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      • SegFaultAX
        Is `class foo::bar { class { 'spam::eggs': ... } -> class { 'bacon::crispy': ... } }` a meaningful thing to do? (Note that I'm specifically talking about ordering of contained classes, rather than other types of resources)
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      • jowr
        yes tho it looks awkward as shit
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      • SegFaultAX
        Why does it look awkward?
      • jkitchen
        SegFaultAX: I almost never chain things like that
      • SegFaultAX
        jkitchen: What do you prefer?
      • jowr
        its' a personal style issue, tbh
      • SegFaultAX
        (Are you not a fan of -> in general?)
      • jkitchen
        I'll do stuff like: foo { 'bar': before => Blah['htns'] }
      • jowr
        class chaining just looks whacky
      • jkitchen
        or with classes, I separate the includes from the ordering
      • but yea, it's just style
      • BarnacleBob
        i only chain stuff that has no arguments and use the chain of the style Class['spam::eggs'] -> Class['bacon::Crispy'] on their own lines
      • if they hae areguments
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      • jowr
        why chain it at all?
      • why not just include the classes
      • BarnacleBob
        ordering is important sometimes
      • jowr
        true, but that's where dependencies come in
      • BarnacleBob
        like you need to make sure apache is there before you install your ganglia apache conf file
      • SegFaultAX
        I have 1) parametereized classes that have 2) ordering dependencies.
      • BarnacleBob
        sure chain is just a method of writing dependencies
      • you do not want to write your ganglia class to depend on the apache class
      • what if someone else writes their own apache class with different names
      • SegFaultAX
        Let me get an example of what I'm trying to accomplish, maybe it will make the discussion clearer.
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      • jabroney
        New to rspec-puppet. My module's dependencies are not unrecognized. What is supposed to get dependencies from metadata.json installed? I don't even know what to google for.
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