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      • kimtree
        Hi all, Can I feel free to ask something about Flask?
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      • nmz787_i
        if I use entierly async requests (i.e. ajax), how dangerous is it to use the dev server for a small team of people (say 3-30)?
      • with the numbers being in the lower end for a while most likely
      • just respond to the user 'no response' if their request times-out
      • 'no response from the server, try again'
      • there should be no concurrency issues
      • since i'm issuing some files to get massaged and processed into another format, then having the output returned (which can be async)
      • i guess the transfer operations would take some time... hrmm
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      • well, if anyone has any ideas for what to do on a windows server 2008 OS, let me know :)
      • therealjumbo
        kimtree: don't ask if you can ask. just ask.
      • nmz787_i: what do you mean use the dev server?
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      • nmz787_i
        for flask
      • (i joined #flask and got here)
      • therealjumbo
        you could run virtual box or docker and run flask there
      • nmz787_i
        I guess I could just install virtualbox or vmware and run a LAMP server
      • heh
      • yeah
      • therealjumbo
        ya that's what i did
      • nmz787_i
        what distro did you go with?
      • therealjumbo
        then when somebody screws it up you just roll back to one of your checkpoints
      • obviously you want to doublecheck/test your backup process but ya..
      • i've tried a couple different ones
      • right now, i'm leaning most heavily towards ubuntu
      • i like debian (as opposed to centos/rhel) but a lot of software isn't available right now for debian, or isn't well supported
      • like say gitlab
      • technically you can run gitlab on debian, but the setup and admin is much easier in ubuntu
      • nmz787_i
        hrmm, this is all so much more work than just using the single-connection server
      • maybe I could have a main server that just starts new servers on free ports....
      • therealjumbo
        im sure if I was a real admin, and not an engineer that hacks servers together, i would prefer debian
      • nmz787_i
        using subprocess or something
      • yeah I am closer to the engineer right now
      • therealjumbo
        hmm, ya im not sure about that
      • you would need to do some research to see if flask isn't going to like that
      • i'm sure ultimately you can do whatever you want, but i think virtualbox with ubuntu is one of the best bang for your buck right now
      • time-wise i mean
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      • nmz787_i
        hmm
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      • therealjumbo
        don't underestimate the amount of work it is to setup a server, using virtualbox let's you clone and deploy without doing all that busy work again
      • and it'll work no matter what os your server is running in the future, you just install vbox on it, push your image to it and boom
      • nmz787_i
        yeah, I've used it before that way on a mac
      • therealjumbo
        ya, that's what i do for all my dev servers (one continuous integration and one git server)
      • nmz787_i
        decent performance?
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      • therealjumbo
        well, i'm only a team of 2-3 so...
      • if performance is a concern, you could look into using docker instead
      • but on windows? good luck.
      • nmz787_i
        heh
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      • yeah i was looking at some docker for windows page, hard to think how this hasn't been solved some other way... someone compiling apache into a python module and putting it on pip or something
      • therealjumbo
        basically i think it isn't solved in windows, cuz big companies just say screw it, hire a linux admin and make him figure it out.
      • and in that case the simplest solution is... just run linux
      • re: docker for windows. I don't know that much about docker, but i thought it was enabled by a bunch of magic that was added to the linux kernel, so to get all that working properly on windows would be huge.
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      • huge amount of work i mean
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      • fwiw my next laptop is going to be linux for this reason
      • nmz787_i
        :) I dual boot my main laptop
      • therealjumbo
        there are soooo many tools out there now, that only work properly/without huge amounts of hacking in linux and not windows
      • ya i hate dual-booting
      • nmz787_i
        my wacom screen pen doesn't have as many nice programs outside windows
      • like good PDF editing, and sometimes onenote
      • (though I don't use that much anymore since I'm not in school now)
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      • therealjumbo
        hmmm, ya i pretty much only work on software development so my needs are pretty basic
      • i'll keep my windows box around for gaming, but that's about it
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      • for a good while, i tried to beat windows into submission via cygwin, but that was a losing battle
      • it's too bad you can't have the best of both worlds in one laptop
      • i mean you kinda sorta can by: buy a mac, dual boot, or use a vm, but i guess i just don't like any of those solutions
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