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DialsMavis: yeah i've got a global breakdown of happiness index vs number of cherry mx blue keyboard switch sales

even _I'm_ becoming interested…

haha

macgirl84, oh yeah? who's your employer again?

I'm with PaperCut now

it's a pretty big change from New Relic, but it's interesting

ohh PaperCut

well there you go! they're down in Victoria

deskauthority.net is great re: keyboards

(right-angle enter key...)

"Keyboard switches by feel/sound‎"

frogor: sorry you came in and missed the part where i was only joking :)

that's sad, would've been pretty sweet to have you attend one of our meetups

mosen: aww, damn

frogor: but yeah i have a mech kb with blue switches.. its pretty good

But yeah, literally, if you wonder why a keyboard does/doesn't have the right-angle Enter key, it's because of which standards group the keyboard was designed around: ANSI vs. ISO

Or more accurately, which country the keyboard came out of design-wise

ANSI = American

I figured as much

ISO = Euro

frogor, I _get_ all that standards stuff. It's more about the logic behind the design of the right angled return key. why!?!?

;)

DialsMavis: theres probably some archaic typewriter reason

I assume so

I'm just venting

hmmm… this gets me thinking; I need a new keyboard. mosen, you recommend any?

because you _are_ the professional, clearly

well, if I make it to AU I promise I'll try to say hi

time to go, got a party to attend =)

I appllied for the IT residency program at Google today :D

DialsMavis: It looks like IBM is responsible for both problems.

DialsMavis: ahh mech keyboards are the vogue but i wouldnt say it makes a massive difference

The original vertical enter key is from the IBM Selectric electric typewriter - when they removed the carriage return lever.

They replaced it with a vertical Enter key.

frogor: oh the globe one

yeah

And then they were -also- responsible for the horizontal enter key

oh yeah, I remember reading about that!

Which they introduced with the Model M keyboard with the PC in 1981

sheesh, check out the big brains on frogor!

frogor: people still buy Model M keyboards, and even those old Sun box keyboards

WOW!!! Look how much SPACE they saved with that keyboard!!

Then it looks like with later Model M keyboards they re-introduced the veritcal enter key.

I could fit five more jumbo-sized coffees on my desk with that keyboard

Apparently Europe wanted the extra meta key (Alt Gr) and in the process the vertical key came back

Likely from people bitching about the keyboard change layout from their typewriters.

So in the end: blame IBM

^ I always do anyway

sometimes its difficult especially with umlaut and non umlaut variations etc

(and Sweden and Finland)

;)

I didnt really expect to have a conversation about keyboards but there ya go :)

Google's IT Residency program is cool....

https://www.google.com/about/careers/search#t=s...;

Let's talk about ti

it*

Oh there you go then

They mention the Selectric as I found, but they claim the ISO standard was developed -first- and then IBM conformed to it / offered a version of it.

the original embrace, extend, extinguish?

So really the vertical key coming back to computers (after being left behind on the typewriter) is nothing but the fault of Europe :p

it's a hard problem with so many language variations

german has esszet + umlauts, french has two accents and the circumflex .. etc

can't explain the UK keyboard though

so we're no better off now than when we started this conversation … I still blame Europe and IBM for most of my woes

;)

remember the alamo

re

re bruienne

morning mosen

G'day.

G'day

I'm trying to set up Autopkgr and it want's me to pick repos....how do I know what repos to pick?

Just.....whichever?

Psychodata: depends on which apps are you trying to package up

Enable all of them, it won't harm anything

ummm....so far I'm just getting started.

Psychodata: well then, start with the first repo in the list. that one contains Firefox, Chrome, other standards

as you find you need more recipes, click the "Search for more recipes" button and type in what you're looking for

it'll tell you which recipes you need, and give you the option to add them

As far as special things, I have 4-5 different versions of adobe creative stuff in different places, but that's mainly the only thing that's ...special i guess

it'll tell you which repos you need, rather

Okay, so the search finds those apps in the repos

yep, and lets you add the repos you need

subsequently, you'll see the recipes from that repo in the "recipes" list

so, for instance, our File/Video production degree program uses a program called MPEGStreamclip

if I want it, I search for that

exactly

although i don't see any recipes for that particular app

but you have the right idea

and I can just point it at my Munki repo and it will add things to the repo as I add them, and make sure it's always up to date

that's the basic idea, yep

aaannnd I can use Munkiadmin to kind of view and maintain what is in the munki repo

bingo