##osx-server

So much Outlook fail it's hard to respect the folks who made that crap

Yea we do logout now.. But was looking into other methods.. Just because.

Issue we have is no user feedback @ logout via CocoaDialog, because security. But this has been the same since 10.9 came out & our customers are ok with just a grey screen.. As we warn them before anyways.

What does jafm support say to do?

gmarnin: yea... Depends on the engineer.

macmule and...

gmarnin: some people do there installs @ login... Some logout, some during user session...

gmarnin: others have patch windows...

i see

I could do it all in, but not happy with the gui options for JAMF Helper.. Also, my colleague is meant to be on top of packaging.. But he's not.. So rather than getting annoyed with him (again).. Looking at our process.

munki #ftw

I have one of these sitting on my desk right now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_140#Powe...

FEEL THE AWESOME POWER OF MY 25Mhz PROCESSOR!

Avatharian: Is it running 7.6.1?

rtrouton: Alas, it runs nothing these days; won't turn on. Chances are likely 7.6.1 is what's installed though.

The awesome power was clearly too much for its frail frame.

The question I was trying to figure out earlier is why we even *HAVE* this

140 was the first mac I owned, as a switcher from Atari.

Reasons.

This is not the only powerbook I have either.

I also have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_1400

We found a *working* Duo this Fall

Door stops?

Avatharian: If you worked in a lab, it would be "to allow us to still read floppies from this even older piece of scientific equipment."

and helped a client extract a bunch of data

did it have a dock?

no dock

loved loading those like a videotape.

Avatharian: True story, my old gig had a PowerBook 2400 in 2009 for just that reason.

rtrouton: So very true. Based on the dust on the bag this was sitting in, it got lost in a closet somewhere for a very, very long time.

Scientific equipment is whack

Expensive whack.

I could huck these things if I wanted... But I kinda want to keep them at this point.

Would love to show them off to the kids when we give them their Macbook Airs each year

"Kids, take a look at what you're getting. Nice, thin, light Macbook Air. Now look at what people *used* to use!"

They'll love it

Going to suggest it to the computer teacher. Get some use out of 'em, educationally speaking.

hey tbridge- Ruckus WiFi will keep on keeping on if the ZD is temporarily unavailable... right? I've never proven this.

Man, I remember the first laptop I ever saw. Grandfather came to visit with one of these guys http://oldcomputers.net/pics/ibm-thinkpad-750c.jpg

the nub mouse blew my 5 year old mind.

was the 750 the one with the tetris-style keyboard that slid into place as you opened the lid?

No, that was the butterfly I think

your first laptop had a pointer? Advanced. :)

swy: as long as no 802.1x user needs to authenticate.

dwurster: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0...

oh. loosing 802.1x would be an inconvienence.

Avatharian: that's the one.

swy: and you're not doing stuff like tunneling all traffic back to the controller.

My 1st laptop had dual USB...

your a Ruckus shop too?

(adamcodega )

swy: Yep, gladly switched from Meraki this year.

Noted.

swy: that was something we tested during pilots, taking controllers offline.

dwurster: Honstely, not a bad idea at all for the time. Guessing failure rate was pretty bad though. Moving parts no bueno.

Would be wise to relocate my controller, but not if it's gonna cause me sadness.

swy: Meh.. I'd do it off hours anyway.

don't want "a guy on irc told me" to cause a problem.

Huh.. Still Apple Docs on it: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP111

swy: at their prices though might as well have two controllers

macmule: I loved the built in handle on the original iBooks.

If I can avoid an after hours trip back here w/o fallout, I'd prefer to.

swy: Right, in that case I'd hop on Ruckus chat and ask them, verify your model and firmware #.

adamcodega: this is after the them.. http://lowendmac.com/wp-content/uploads/12-in-i...

And method of authentication.

adamcodega: I'm hoping to be able to use that line to my advantage some time later. "You might be able to call KACE support and take 3 hours. I can get on IRC and talk to the people who *make* this other software and get help in 30 seconds"

Half the time I don't call support anyway because I figure it out just as fast on my own.

macmule: Surely longer than that? Or do you mean professionally? Or did you just not have access when you were younger?

Avatharian: yea, my colleagues have cottoned on..

Avatharian: nah that was my 1st computer, nowt before.. Games consoles, guitars & Games Workshop stuff.. Got it when I was 17

swy: I'd move it fast.

I'm only 24 and I would say I've been computering for 19 years. When I was 5 the CMOS battery in our 486 died and I would have to manually reset all the IRQ's and stuff to get on and play Yahtzee.

macmule: Ah, late bloomer.

swy: like, under 5 min fast, or the APs get real upset.

tbridge: Yeah, I should be able to have it restarting within 60 seconds.

Avatharian: haha I mean Ruckus website support chat.

would strongly recommend doing it when load is low, but Friday the 2nd is a pretty good time for that I'm guessing

What I said before about the CMOS sounds more impressive than it is, my Mom had all the settings written down in a book and I copied them. Still, figuring out how to do that...

the Ruckus website support chats are surprisingly good. That is, compared to a lot of the other wretchedly bad ones

adamcodega: ha. Ruckus chat is what I interpreted.

Avatharian: some people never talk to company support and that's equally annoying, I know from your point of view that Dell is useless, I agree.

So here's a general question for folks: Got any cool stuff you use for working with scripts? Not looking for anything specific, just wondering if there's stuff out there that people leverage to make scripting easier or if you just eventually memorize everything relevant.

adamcodega: I talk to them if I reach a point where my problem is with some black-box functionality of the Kbox that isn't adequately explained in the documentation, or worse yet does not work in the way documented.

Avatharian: I blog to remember, but really it's TextWrangler, GitHub, VM's & or something like fseventer (to catch what's going on before I script it).

^^

I write a lot using TextWrangler, then test drive in VMs.

fseventer really is a magical piece of software.

I've taken more to Sublime Text than TextWrangler

Once I've got it working, it gets posted to either Github or an work-internal git repo.

but that's a matter of taste more than usefulness. Dem multiple cursors tho.

Avatharian: I actually use Caspers Composer & create a DMG with the chanes using "monitor system changes" which leverages some fsevents stuff.

I've also started getting in the habit of putting stuff on github. It's hard to decide what appropriate/useful to put there sometimes.

s/chanes/changes/

Avatharian: there are two ways to approach it.. Only stuff for others, or stuff for you that others may stumble over & find helpful. If in doubt, post it.

Avatharian: If you're worried about posting sensitive info, there's also the option of setting up an internal git repo and posting stuff to that - http://www.nbalonso.com/git-server-up-in-5/

yeah. I figure there might be someone else out there, somewhere out in that deep blackness; Alone and cold, fighting with their K2000 to get it to do the things that need to be done. So i've been posting my scripts one-by-one. Plus, version control is cool. https://github.com/Avatharian/osx-scripts/tree/...

rtrouton: I've been sanitizing what needs to be sanitized, which isn't much and also insipires me to write the scripts a little better. See https://github.com/Avatharian/osx-scripts/blob/... for example.

that one used to just have all the usernames and passwords and whatnot directly in the dsconfig ad command. Made them variables instead.

should comment that output redirect though.

Yeah, variables are a better way to go.

I plan on having LoginLog monitor that file so I can see output from these scripts as they run. The K2000 shows me nothing normally, it all goes in the background unless I explicitely design the task to launch a terminal window.

I'd like to get an interactive console to show all the scripts, so I have the option of requesting input a little more easily than what I have to do for launching the renaming script, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet.

Though I may be overthinking it.

Avatharian: That reminds me, I saw you mentioned in the logs that Kace has me mentioned in their imaging slides?

rtrouton: Yeah, there was a slide deck from a presentation a while back on imaging practices...

Avatharian: Are those posted in the Kace knowledgebase anywhere? I'm curious to see what they say.

rtrouton: looking for it now

rtrouton: here it is https://www.kace.com/~/media/Files/Support/KACE...

they don't say a a lot, just "here's some handy stuff"

slide 31

Can you tell that macs are an afterthough for them?

all their presentations are like this

Heh. I also found this blog post - http://blog.kace.com/2014/04/05/dr-ks-korner-id...

slide decks are 29 slides for windows, 1 slide for mac

Apparently, my scripts can save folks both time and money.

hah, I hadn't seen that

HEY DR. K THEY WOULD BE EVEN BETTER IF YOUR APPLIANCE STOPPED USING LOGINHOOKS

Indeed.

Well, that bit isn't a problem for me anymore. I fixed it myself. A combination of postinstall scripts that delete the loginhook and instead launch the master task engine script from a launchd.

I'm just glad Casper lets me turn off its loginhook or I'd probably see weird issues.

I was really hoping that rumor of loginhooks not working in 10.10 earlier was true.

but alas, it was not to be.

Loginhooks - Deprecated, but still alive.

Wow. I told my wife we should see a movie tonight.. she said nothing looked good at our neighborhood theater, turns out Big Hero 6 is playing!

wow, apparently there's an extension to hide all those reddit armie "fedora" account comments on youtube

no safari version

I guess I know what I'm learning how to do this weekend

Haha.

I put MagCozys on my workbench chargers. That's about enough work for one day.

Heading out. Catch you all later.

Have a good weekend rt

ooof

I've hit the point of no return

You don't just hide all youtube comments?

Avatharian: there are a few channels I subscribe to that I participate in comments, so no