#orderofthebee

a crap we've got Aikau that doesn't work the same anymore :P

gladly there is only 1 very important page in 5.0

so 1 week rest of Share yes, filtered search, maybe 2 weeks in total

haha, might be a fail and than this angular thing hm

Aikau has had the very bad luck of not having been given any real priority

I mean, what result can you expect if you only put a team of two on the job and they don't even have a mandate to re-do key components/pages of Share to learn where Aikau needs to be improved...

agreed afaust, it needs to be performant, then its kick arse

yes and not envolved the community.........

I think extension modules, with freemarker pages with akau widgets are the best.

Well - the community could have been involved, but we all chose to wait for it to become "more complete" before we risked jumping in...

Fully Aikau pages i'm not pleased with those

no production client just jumps to a .0.a version :P so yes their right

afaust, problem like always is whats facing you today, and think aikau needed to get where it is to see it in action, some of dave drapers examples show its very capable

I've grown quite fond of full Aikau pages and have seen too many issues with (multiple) components using Aikau individually on a page

digcat: We have written quite a complex application using solely Aikau in the last half a year or so (~ 50 effective pages if you count role-/context-based differences)

yes

I'm not, I like to hack with JQuery somewhere in between the page without the page breaking :)

what I do usually is write a share page and load my javascript on it

Should make no difference if full page Aikau or component Aikau for using jQuery...

without share or aikau components, as my clients want responsivnes

and SPA (single page applications)

and that share cannot give

but a page within share or surf yes, in that regard you benefirt from all the other services like SSO etc

just my way of doing things

and hence what, that is why alfresco @mvc, all behind webscripts, therfore all the alfresco security stays

afaust have you got that aikau app in production anywhere ?

presumably the client

digcat: what is it the aikau app ?

Aikau, http://docs.alfresco.com/5.1/concepts/aikau-int...

you mentioned an aikau app, so asking what is the app? I know what aikau is

but was not aware of an existing app with the aikau framework

just some components that are written with aikau

and that one can build entire pages with aikau now

digcat: Correct, the client. It is currently being handed over / completed (while I am on vacation)

handy timing!

so are you expecting a list when you get back?

I won't actually get back... except if you count the last day when I hand over my laptop, company car etc.

AFaust: leaving your current job?

congrats!

I am out of date seems ;)

yep - setting up to work on my own from October

nice, so we might have a chat than ;)

glad to hear that

are you planning some travelling

digcat: I have actually been away from that project for the most part since early this year. Most of the Aikau stuff was stable by then and now they only added more and more features / processes...

ahh, did they get the performance nailed then

I got it nailed...

of course ! :)

(as best as possible)

there were some open tickets i thought i saw

Not really planning on much travelling during this vacation. There will be various dates in between where I have to sit down with lawyer or go to public offices to register my company, organize myself a new company car and equipment...

The tickets are still open. But you should know me - I only create tickets if I have already solved the problem myself

The problem is just that it is shaping up to be a very difficult thing to get those changes integrated back into Aikau project.

have they gone a different direction

or just getting anyone to pick it up

The damn node.js based test setup just won't work for me so I can't really provide them with a change / PR that "works" because I have no way to know which parts are actually getting broken

thats kinda critical issue

is that the yeoman stuff

And you have to be aware that Dave is no longer working full-time on the project, so they themselves have even less resources now then before

Nothing to do with yeoman

That is not relevant for Aikau

the test setup

sorry no of course

it was the node.js test setup

yeoman is just a code / setup generator. It is a problem of actually running the tests

was wondering what you were following

Yeah - most of the build process of Aikau uses node.js and NPM modules

yep

(which I hate as I have never seen any community more proud of their own unprofessionalism)

hehe yes, or the kids have invented their way of doing the same stuff

AFaust: not following, but oyu mean you do not like node.js for client side development?

I do not like node.js - period

aha I see ;)

But to be more precise, the ecosystem / community of hackers surrounding it.

well as just a development platform, I find it ok

Can't even get simple things like path resolution to work on all major problems in their NPM modules

however, modules etc, indeed are not the best

all major plattforms

AFaust, nice you are starting your own company... good lucky

of course some plattforms are a problem, so the error might have been Freudian in nature

*luck

uh you're starting up for yourself AFaust?

will you still be around in the Alfresco space? :)

or are you planning to go down another path?

Nuxeo :P

ohej: I wouldn't have asked about Hackathon if I weren't staying the space...

AFaust will be managing his owncloud community using whatsapp ;-)

*hides

I thought I would make it my business to revive the Explorer UI. Way better than Aikau and ng2 together...

decades ahead of its time, that's why it was misunderstood...

thats an awesome idea

some fuel for the slack fire ;-) http://www.pdfernhout.net/reasons-not-to-use-sl...

hmm, mentions this, now that *does* look good http://matrix.org/

not sure why looking at something else than slack thouhg ;)

so I floated this yesterday but doing it again

it has so many integrations that it is damny crazy

We have Jive up and running within the next month or so, we could offer a private/public/moderated space that you control there

Not saying you absolutely have to, but it's an option

dgradecak: lots of reasons in that link I put, including this quote (about Skype, but relevant) from Richard Stallman: "A nonfree program denies users freedom, which is unjust in itself. Making the ethical issue sharper, for you to use Skype is to encourage someone else to use Skype, which means you're pressuring someone else to surrender freedom as well."

but I have to echo (Angel's? or who was it on the maillist earlier) that questioned wether the tooling is really the problem here

plus: zombie apocalypse (or... "zombies ate my ToS")

shazada made a good point about the fragmentation of information in mail threads for example, or having to search irc logs

being able to share files instead of pastebin/imgur or whatever is good too

well all good sure, I would love to use something but just like anything else, do we have that many information right now, that is causing issues?

and "the kids can't/won't use IRC" (actually in my experience true, the youngers at my previous place were horrified when I showed them IRC as a collaboration tool) - then again that's also an argument for using whatsapp!

I agree that shazada has the point that we have to log here in there to see what is going on, I would prefer that we all sit in a bar once a week too ;)

if the order is targeting the kids, than fine

yeah probably not though, it takes quite a lot of experience to get into alfresco... that was the least persuasive point IMHO

like someone pointed out, what issue are we solving right now with that

I would really like to have it, but usually I just configure slack for my self

and make it listen to all the cahnnels I need

Bar is fine

I would prefer indeed ;)

just if you all were a bit closer hehe

I'm not sure if it's a kids thing, I'm a bit oldee now. But when I sit in my Wife's Smart after driven the GTR, it feels like the world is standing still :P

so yes both are cars and do the trick

if you haven't used a new modern comm tool, then yes you probably don't know what you miss :).

DONE! Exporting the last BeeCon recording now!

Finally.. sorry it has taken so long guys

Cool

welldone !!

Next step is to get them uploaded

Lesson learned for next time: We need better audio, and we need to monitor the audio.

ohej: It was the other guy starting with A...that was questioning the tooling as the source of all our problems...

is it much worse then Alfresco Summit?

Ahhh AFaust it was you :P

shazada: it's ok-ish

volume is quite low on some of the videos

VLC 200%, or maybe you can fiddle with youttube setting everything to 150% if that's possible

shazada: problem is that some of the audio is distorted quite roughly so I've done the best I could

if I up the volume further it just blows up

ooh

so anyways, the big question is wether I just upload it straight to youtube or put the raw files somewhere and you guys can have a crack at it

I don't mind either way

there's about 18GB

and I can't wait to archive the raw footage from my computer. I've been struggling over the last week with ~15gb free on my laptop because I have multiple copies of pretty much all the videos

and of course the edits takes up space as well as the final stuff

so I'll probably regain ~120GB when I clean up :P

lol, youTube should be fine if uploaded on 720p at least I guess

yup, youtube isn't an issue at all, but if I have to upload it somewhere we just have to figure out where ;)

ohej: I remember some ECM vendor to have a cloud-based service...

Seem to have forgotten the name though