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Yay! The logging bot's back!
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TTarRotom
hi
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is anyone here?
21:46 PM
Freso
TTarRotom: Yes.
21:48 PM
TTarRotom
hey
21:48 PM
I'm having problems wirth LOOt
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it keeps saying 'no masterlist update necessary'
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but I USLEEP is 2 ESMs after the DLCs so it clearly can't have been sorted correctly
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1.Skyrim.esm 2.Update.esm 3.Dawnguard.esm 4.HearthFires.esm 5.Dragonborn.esm 6.SexLab.esm 7.TERAArmors.esm 8.Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
21:51 PM
This can't be sorted correctly because sexlab and TERA are above USLEEP. Did I install LOOT incorrectly?
21:54 PM
Freso
Oh, so that's for USLEEP is an abbreviation for.
21:54 PM
Freso goes looking at the masterlist
21:59 PM
TTarRotom: Why do you believe USLEEP needs to be loaded earlier than SexLab and TERAArmors?
22:00 PM
AFAICT from the masterlist, there's no masterlist-wise dependencies across those three.
22:00 PM
Though I guess USLEEP does have a priority set that should move it up.
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22:01 PM
I don't know whether loot/loot or loot/skyrim is more applicable. I'd probably file it under loot/loot ("LOOT application").
22:02 PM
The debug logs are very important, esp. the LOOTDebugLog.txt one.
22:34 PM
TTarRotom
Yeah so my LOOT install was borked
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thanks
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I fixed it
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by the way
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where are the priority sets listed?
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how were you aware that USLEEP should have been further up, without having to run LOOT itself?
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Freso
22:39 PM
The entry for "Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp" has a priority of less than -1000000 so it should get sorted before any mods that do not have a priority smaller than that. (±1 million is the magic number for a "global priority". -999999 to 999999 priorities are only "local" priorities, so they only go into effect when there are actual conflicts between two files (ie., they touch the same records
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in the .esp).)
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22:50 PM
TTarRotom: Are you DrainZenCut on forums.bethsoft.com?
22:58 PM
TTarRotom
yeah
22:58 PM
hahaha why
22:59 PM
Freso
TTarRotom: Just saw them posting about the exact same problem you asked about here. :)
23:02 PM
TTarRotom
Hold on, in the masterlist I can find the listing for USLEEP's priority
23:02 PM
I can't find sexlab or tera armors' listing
23:02 PM
Freso
I found them just fine.
23:02 PM
Search for the exact plugin name.
23:02 PM
TTarRotom
What did you ctrl + f for
23:02 PM
Freso
Searching for "tera armors" is likely to find nothing.
23:02 PM
TTarRotom
oh
23:03 PM
Freso
"TERAArmors.esm" and "SexLab.esm"
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*.esp
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* "TERAArmors.es" and "SexLab.esm"
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... will find them
23:03 PM
TTarRotom
not finding order listings, just messages
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- name: 'TERAArmors.esp' msg: - type: say content: - lang: en str: 'Requires: [DIMONIZED UNP](http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/6709)' - lang: ru str: 'Требуется: [DIMONIZED UNP](http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/6709)' - lang: es str: 'Requiere: [DIMONIZED UNP](http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/6709)'
23:04 PM
Freso
Yes.
23:04 PM
It doesn't have a priority set.
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So it's priority is "0".
23:04 PM
TTarRotom
ah
23:04 PM
default priority
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ok
23:04 PM
Freso
Which sorts after "-1999999".
23:04 PM
So USLEEP so could earlier than that. :)
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*load
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*sort
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TTarRotom
I see
23:05 PM
what about esps that are not listed
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say for example
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kankaraya.esp
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what is their default priority?
23:06 PM
Freso
0.
23:06 PM
The default priority is the default priority.
23:07 PM
TTarRotom
wait
23:07 PM
if LOOT only sorts items it is aware of
23:07 PM
Freso
It doesn't.
23:07 PM
TTarRotom
then how come my other esps were also sorted
23:07 PM
huh
23:07 PM
I don't think I understand
23:07 PM
Freso
BOSS only sorts items in its masterlist.
23:07 PM
TTarRotom
lol
23:08 PM
Freso
Which is its major flaw.
23:08 PM
LOOT does some plugin introspection so it's able to do a best guess on how to sort plugins even if they're not in the masterlist.
23:08 PM
TTarRotom
ahh
23:08 PM
ok
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Freso
23:09 PM
You might want to give the LOOT docs a read over at some point... :)
23:09 PM
TTarRotom
yeah
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Freso tries heard to not talk about BOSS in the past tense... sorry deaths_shoul!
23:10 PM
i installed LOOT ages ago because it was a necessity, didn't even know there was documentation then
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Freso
*hard
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TTarRotom
incidentally
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I no longer have the mods
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Freso
There have been docs since LOOT's inception, and I'm pretty sure it's been linked from the GUI for as long too. :)
23:10 PM
TTarRotom
but LOOT had trouble sorting More Nasty Critters
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in the past
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(nsfw)
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Freso
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TTarRotom
aite
23:11 PM
Freso
I haven't played Skyrim for a looong time, so I don't really want to mess too much with the masterlist.
23:11 PM
TTarRotom
it would always sort the creatureframework.esp
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below the supplementary files
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then the framework would never be recognized ingame
23:13 PM
Freso
If it's still an issue, you should report it on GitHub. :) I don't think we generally get a lot of reports for LL-only mods, so it could be that none of the active Skyrim masterlist editors know about it.