#hoplon

none of them can do the stateful traversals you can do in jquery

take enlive for instance

suppose you want to traverse a document in a way that has branches, like the nodes you've visited affect the path you continue on in your traversal of the docuemnt

this is impossible to do in any of the things

zippers don't help

the zipper code was way worse than the naive thing i wrote

it was probably way to universal

things like enlive can't do stateful traversal

this is a case where immutable data doesn't help at all

very much like the dom in browsers

we *need* to be able to mark nodes in place

and edit them

and so on

huh

because we need to be able to encapsulate logic in small pieces

like with immutable data you take a thing and build a new thing

btw, should be good project: https://github.com/Datomic/codeq

basically xml is a total fail because it's not really data

it's a tree, yes

but that's not really data

you need lists, sets, maps, and atoms, at least

and the whole attribute/child duality destroys any "datalike" properties

i mean just look at what the clojure data representation of an xml document looks like

{:tag :foo :attributes {:attr1 "attrval1"} :children [...]}

well, and why it isn't data?

oh it's data

it just has no meaning

like we could do that in clojure

imagine if vectors didn't exist

well, you might have a child and an attribute

with the same name

{:type :vector :first-child ... :second-child ...}

it's just not useful

{:type :vector :data '(1 2 3 ...)}

right and each piece of data can have an arbitrary :type

which means a different thing

and the meaning could depend on other things in arbitrary places in relation to that thing

{:type :hash-map :data {}}

{:type :person ...}

{:type :foobar ...}

i dunno, i plumbed the depths of it, and there is no solution

i even wrote code that would parse the xml schema

and emit clojure code hlisp style representing each element and so on

but the schema has affordances for things that make that approach very difficult

have any of you guys tried to create an uberjar with a *.cljc namespace as :main ? doesn't seem to work, currently

i'm trying to figure out why some tasks, when they throw an ex-info, show a stacktrace, while others don't

e.g., boot-test/test shows just test output, even though it throws

pandeiro, may be it's suppressing stdout in some dirty way?