#hackedu

msw cool

thanks

also, stackedit.i

s/.i/.io

What ajb meant to say was: also, stacke.iot.io

wut

stackedit.io

zrl, are the notes from our meeting posted anywhere?

should be in your github notifications

(also waiting on you to merge https://github.com/hackedu/meta/pull/240, by the way)

sounds good zrl, sorry I just needed some time to unconfuse myself lol

zrl: can I get that unlinked file checker script you used?

hardmath123: did u die

zrl: Do you know the difference between a Swooper and a Basher? as far as productivity goes?

i do not. i'd love to learn though.

care to elaborate?

Swoopers generally have a list of things they are trying to accomplish and move from space to space, writing and building within each of those. An example within being an author, would be a person who writes multiple different chapters at once, adding to each as they're inspired or come up with the next idea.

Bashers generally pick one thing that they're working on, and continue to push through it, focusing on that piece until it's seen to completion.

TIL I am a swooper

<msw> mHesby: is there a place I can read more about this?

is it binary?

I believe Kurt Vonnegut originally described it.

And was specifically talking about authors.

But I noticed it showing itself more in everything else as I talked to people.

mHesby: did you learn this in your pd class?

zrl: I don't think it's entirely binary. A swooper may end up completely enthralled with a certain idea and keep going at it. But I think we( I'm a swooper myself) tend to be more willing to give up on an idea and move to another. I wouldn't be surprised if Bashers get entirely stuck and want to quit for a while either =)

ajb: nope, read it from KV

oh cool

“Swoopers write a story quickly, higgledy-piggledy, crinkum-crankum, any which way. Then they go over it again painstakingly, fixing everything that is just plain awful or doesn’t work. Bashers go one sentence at a time, getting it exactly right before they go on to the next one. When they’re done they’re done.”

i'd be interested to learn more. i've heard of a couple different of these sort of categorizations and i'm always skeptical.

msw: I don't know if there's any specific book that talks about it. It just stuck with me.

Yeah. Sorting and labeling people can always be a bit of a gray area. I think we always need to take them with the understanding that they're never 100% accurate.

But. Ever since really thinking about, "i'm a swooper" it's made my work progress a lot more comfortable and doable. I create skeletons for the information I need to figure out, and it lets me jump around and enter stuff as it comes to me, rather than lose my thought and have to go back later and try and remember what the organization should be.

kind of along these lines, i think some of you may find https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8804080 interesting if you haven't read it already

that is interesting

I thought of this though, because looking at the organization of a lot of the newer stuff.. it really works well for Swooper type people I think. Euphoria for example. I feel like it's such a jumbled mess in some ways, but allows for people to hav emultiple thoughts going on at once and can be come back to and advanced when needed. And was just pondering

what may be causing this clear increase in that type of organization. Twitter being a great example that a lot of people struggle to follow.

mHesby: have you heard of workflowy?

nope

steward: g workflowy

i think you might love workflowy if you feel that way.

(what you described in your previous messages)

Cool. I'll check it out.

isn't workflowy just a collapsable bullet list?

yup

so org mode for non nerds?

yup

mHesby: also, you should check out org mode

try out workflowy first

much easier to get started

yeah