#fdroid-dev

/

      • _hc joined the channel
      • _hc joined the channel
      • ichigo joined the channel
      • NicoAlt joined the channel
      • _hc_roving has quit
      • _hc_roving joined the channel
      • pserwylo has quit
      • pserwylo joined the channel
      • cdesai
        I might be late to today's meeting, giving my driving test today.
      • NicoAlt
        cdesai: Good luck!
      • cdesai
        Thanks NicoAlt
      • _hc_roving
        uniq[m]: stuck at finanzamt, hopefully there soon
      • thezero joined the channel
      • uniq[m]
        _hc: oh, bureaucracy takes its time
      • _hc_roving has quit
      • _hc_roving joined the channel
      • _hc joined the channel
      • thezero has quit
      • _hc has quit
      • _hc joined the channel
      • thezero joined the channel
      • thezero has quit
      • thezero joined the channel
      • _hc has quit
      • _hc_roving has quit
      • _hc_roving joined the channel
      • Tovok7 joined the channel
      • NicoAlt joined the channel
      • _hc joined the channel
      • _hc
        CiaranG: pserwylo uniq[m] cdesai thezero est31_ mimi89999_m Tovok7 NicoAlt meeting time!
      • pserwylo
        here.
      • est31_
        hi
      • pserwylo
        just writing up some notes for the meeting
      • Tovok7
        hi all
      • _hc
        Tovok7: hello! since you have the most exciting news, perhaps you should start?
      • pserwylo
        Tovok7: welcome back :)
      • Tovok7
        thanks
      • mimi89999_m
        Hello
      • GitLab ... sucks...
      • pserwylo
        mimi89999_m: lol, often, yes.
      • but I still like what they do :)
      • _hc
        yeah gitlab has been having a rough couple months
      • mimi89999_m
        Me also. They are FOSS unlike GitHub which 'loves Open Source' just doesn't FOSS their product because 'you can't earn money'.
      • Tovok7
        I was in Cuba, just came back, and showed people f-droid/repomaker there, because internet is still being slowly introduced to the country, google play partly blocked, so this is a prime use-case for setting up alternative app stores (or repositories) there in local WiFis.
      • There's a lot I could tell about the details, but I want to write a blog post about it soonish, so maybe I save save for this. For now so much: The most interest for f-droid repos seems to be from mobile phone repair (and swap) shops that are popping up everywhere like mushrooms. Due to tourism, there's many (especially young) cubans with access to foreign currency, so they want new mobile phones all the time.
      • The mobile phone shops want to use f-droid repositories as marketing for themselves, but also to enable new business models and help their customers get updates for their apps, because at the moment people use the little internet they can get for many things, but not for updating their apps.
      • pserwylo
        Tovok7: When I was in vietnam for droidcon.vn it was surprising to me how many mobile shops there were right next to eachother on each shopping strip. Maybe that helps explain it.
      • (this was in Ho Chi Minh)
      • Tovok7
        Yes, in Cuba it was similar. There's lots of competition between these shops, but also a big growing market for them,
      • pserwylo
        so perhaps Cuba is not alone.
      • Tovok7
        Noteworthy is also that almost everybody I met was using an app called Zapya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapya to swap mostly apps (but also other files) between phones. So most people didn't know f-droid
      • Zapya is setting up a WiFi hostspot and you saw their SSIDs everywhere when scanning for WiFis. This helps people to discover each other when they are all on the local town square (the only place with internet in a city)
      • _hc
        if only we had taken VC funding to do F-Droid Swap, we would have beaten Zapya/ShareIt/etc to market ;-) We started swap in 2012
      • Tovok7
        When trying app swapping with F-Droid a Cuban ran into a very critical F-Droid bug that almost made the phone unusable. We could only solve it by clearing F-Droid's app data from the settings. I'll create an issue for that shortly.
      • _hc
        but we're still trying to do it while preserving privacy...
      • Tovok7
        Yeah, what I learned there is that cuban use whatever works for them and that what app to use travels quickly mouth to moth
      • pserwylo
        Tovok7: argh, please do, I'll see if I can get it fixed up.
      • Tovok7
        *muth
      • est31
        Tovok7: awesome
      • Tovok7
        So for example when internet was first introduced, skype was blocked, so everybody started using something called elmo and most people still use it today.
      • _hc
        pserwylo: no worries about the swap bugs, I'm going to be fully focused on that once I finish up the June report. there is still plenty of other things to do
      • Tovok7: did you mean any of the Cubaconf people in the end?
      • meat
      • meet
      • Tovok7
        just two of the organizers, because the conf is still re-scheduled to november now
      • the conf itself though is not very accessible to local cubans due to entrance fee which is multiple times that of the average salary
      • _hc
        oh, that locals have to pay?
      • mimi89999_m
        Tovok7: I guess it wasn't the file URI bug or could it?
      • Tovok7
        yeah
      • _hc
        strange, why are they doing that?
      • Tovok7
        The conf didn't happen this time, so I don't know so much details, but it seems to me that several tech events use havana as a hip location for their events that people gladly travel to, but that they are mostly for foreigners.
      • _hc
        ah, ok, I know that model, but I thought Cubaconf was aimed at Cubans
      • maybe we can find a way to put together a Cuba Barcamp
      • Tovok7
        well, I was told that bringing cubans together for a meetup can be difficult. I was part of one of those and talked about briar and let's say that it is difficult
      • _hc
        yeah, for it to be workable, it would require locals to run the organization, and outsiders to provide extra input
      • mimi89999_m
        Almost forgot about Briar...
      • Tovok7
        yeah, the locals I knew there are trying to organize regular meetings for tech/journalist kind of people, they are just starting, but it is easy like in other places to due the special circumstances there with how people work, their culture and of course the government.
      • It already starts with finding a meeting location
      • and it continues by letting people to know about it (almost no internet and no adverstisting within the country) and if they know about it, enable them to actually attend.
      • And you can see with CubaConf, even if you organize something like this, it can get moved/forbidden on short notice
      • _hc
        ah, so the govt rescheduled Cubaconf?
      • Tovok7
        I don't know for sure, people are not so open about the reasons
      • however, my briar talk had a location, but this was cancelled on the same day, so we needed to do it in a cafe and even there we were kind of asked to leave
      • _hc
        Tovok7: can you get the blog post up by Wed? I'd love to include it in the June report
      • pserwylo
        Tovok7: And I'd like to read it :)
      • Tovok7: Do you get by with just English, or do you have some Spanish?
      • Tovok7
        yeah, I wanted to do one specifically about f-droid and maybe another one about how internet access works in cuba (for tourists and locals) and what ways they find to get access.
      • English is very tricky and only spoken somewhat by a technical elite with lots of outside contact
      • _hc
        not surprising
      • Tovok7
        My Portuguese was very helpful, but it is not the same as spanish, so it was still a bit tricky at times ;)
      • _hc
        how's your spanish?
      • ah, ok
      • Cubans are probably not used to Portuñol
      • Portuñol works well in much of Spain, Buenos Aires, etc.
      • Tovok7
        no, not really, but I figured out the most important differences between the two languages early on which helped with making myself understood at least for basic things.
      • however, the most interesting people to talk to for me were the technical elite, so there English worked.
      • mimi89999_m
        Tovok7: What phones are they using?
      • Tovok7
        So, there's a government monopoly telecom company and they have a monopoly for selling phones, mostly huawei and some cheaper alcatels
      • most mobile phone shops seem to be selling phones illegally though
      • these are mostly high-end samsung phones and some LG, fewer BLU
      • phones are a status symbol there and there's also iPhones
      • majority is android though and many phones seem to be getting in somehow from miami
      • the prices were surprisingly low and cheaper then in brazil
      • *than
      • _hc
        interesting
      • Tovok7
        I'd be happy to take more questions now, or after the blog post if there's more coming up.
      • mimi89999_m
        What about the firmware they are running? Is it the official one or the career one that could be backdoored?
      • Tovok7
        The stores are heavivily flashing whatever works
      • mimi89999_m
        What source are they using?
      • Tovok7
        can easily be backdoored, but unlikely by the cuban government
      • _hc
        we should probably move on, but lots of interesting stuff !
      • Tovok7
        I didn't see anybody using the official monopoly phones, maybe because they are also more expensive than what you can get on the black market easily
      • _hc
        good to hear that they are flashing stuff in stores, that means they could also flash FDroid :)
      • Tovok7
        yes they flash also their own apps as marketing there on every phone they can get their hands on ;)
      • _hc
        oh boy...
      • Tovok7
        they also do some strange dex hacking stuff to fix some problems unique to cuba.
      • more in the blog posts...
      • mimi89999_m
        I am so impatient to read it...
      • NicoAlt
        You definitively have to link it here!
      • mimi89999_m
        Should subscribe to your RSS...
      • Tovok7
        of course!
      • pserwylo
        Alrighty, I could go now if we like?
      • Tovok7
        Looks like we still don't have the new website deployed, so I probably write it in my own blog first...
      • pserwylo
      • mimi89999_m
      • pserwylo
        getting close
      • Tovok7
        yep
      • mimi89999_m
        Where is the search in browse?
      • pserwylo
        this is an earlier version.
      • NicoAlt
      • pserwylo
        once the release process is finished, then we will be able to tag the git repo when we want a new release.
      • _hc
        since we're on the topic:
      • CiaranG put up https://test.f-droid.org/ as a test for the new website
      • Its looking good, no blockers for deployment, but some small issues came up
      • w!88
      • NOTICE: [website] !88: include 'wp-content' folder in this git repo - https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroid-website/merge_requests/88
      • NicoAlt
        _hc: Does the website publish process needs a manual trigger like signing the repo?
      • _hc
        I don't know, that's up to how CiaranG implements it
      • I think its safe for it to be fully automatic
      • mimi89999_m
        What about search?
      • _hc
        adn that is my preference
      • mimi89999_m: search is in the staging site already
      • NicoAlt
        I hope he will do!
      • mimi89999_m
        _hc: Great
      • _hc
        NicoAlt: pserwylo: how hard would it be to add startpage.com site search when Javascript is not available?
      • pserwylo
        Should be fine.
      • obviously a very different UX, but at least it works.
      • NicoAlt
        _hc: Not Google? ;)
      • mimi89999_m
        DDG?
      • _hc
        startpage works the best without javascript