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      • nickjj
        i will be releasing the course in any case, no exact time frame yet but it should be no later than a few weeks after the campaign ends
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      • foul_owl
        bkc_: Looks fine. This issue has been occuring for several days now.
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      • bkc_
        foul_owl: what command errors?
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      • nickjj: may I ask why you choose CoreOS? :)
      • foul_owl
      • Gives me gpg: keyserver timed out
      • nickjj
        bkc_, i like debian too but coreos just gives you a bunch of handy docker-related tools from the start and i'm one of those weirdos who likes systemd
      • bkc_
        I like systemd as well ^."
      • nickjj
        it also works well for 1 node deploys as well as clustering up a few nodes
      • bkc_
        well, "like"... it's a love-hate relationship ^.^
      • foul_owl: which OS?
      • Dist*
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      • nickjj: how do you (or CoreOS) manage inter-host volumes and links?
      • I havn't really looked that up yet ^."
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      • nickjj
        that is a tricky subject
      • bkc_
        to me it sounds like it's something that docker shouldn't be able to do without integration with swarm :)
      • indeed it is ^."
      • nickjj
        right, there's no magic answer to that question yet, all of the solutions i've seen still require a lot of work
      • bkc_
        hence why I'm currently bound to single-host -.-
      • myeah, as soon as volume-plugins starts appearing, that problem will be "gone"...
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      • but inter-host links are a PITA ^.^
      • and I havn't started on multi-tenant yet either ;)
      • nickjj
        with coreos you can tell a service to always load up on a specific node tho
      • bkc_
        which IMO isn't dockers issue to fix, it something that whatever frontend or added security should take care of :)
      • nickjj
        so your volume doesn't need to move around if you say "hey postgres, always make sure you're on THIS machine"
      • bkc_
        myeah, but that doesn't help me if I wanna run hadoop or a big fat mongo/redis-instace on a separate machine ^."
      • like I said, the volume-part will be fixed with volume-plugins
      • and network-plugins are also on it's way, but it'll still be a bitch ^.^
      • I'm guessing links will go byebye and we'd have to revert back to service discovery in some other way (etcd)
      • which is basically how I have it setup now :)
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      • nickjj
        are you using weave?
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      • bkc_
        nope
      • though it looks like what I'd setup manually if I got around to it ^.^
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      • nickjj
        right, still a lot of plumbing or configuration required
      • bkc_
        brb
      • nickjj
        you should look into kubernetes too
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      • b33j0r
        when we keep in perspective how young these techs are, my hope is that we'll have an awesome architecture in the next couple of years that is hard _not to migrate to_
      • bkc_
        and back :)
      • nickjj
        yeah, that's pretty much what i'm betting on
      • bkc_
        I've looked at kubernetes...
      • not sure what tripped me of though
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      • nickjj
        right now i'm coming up with solutions to solve my direct needs right now in the least painful way possible for me but i'm betting on something super awesome/generic/scalable to be out in the near future
      • bkc_
        hehe
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      • I might have to re-watch the G.IO-talk on kubernetes :)
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      • biggest problem I see with kubernetes is that it was introduces before Google Container Engine
      • PerilousApricot
        I've gone down the rabbit hole a bit, I think some sort of mix of marathon+mesos+pacemaker+docker-ish solution will be where things will be 5 years from now
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      • bkc_
        so it's "reason to live" by Google-standard has died off...
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      • meaning they could "kill" it (keep the pod-definition for GCE only) any day...
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      • nickjj
        PerilousApricot, yeah the mesos/marathon combo looks really promising
      • PerilousApricot
        nickjj: It seems like things are coalescing around it too, IIRC you can run kubernetes-on-marathon
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      • b33j0r
        I have some vague concept that things like this should be done with something like a magnet link
      • bkc_
        b33j0r: seen p2p-web? :D
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      • PerilousApricot
        It's turtles all the way down. I've got a 3 node cluster I bootstraped testing with via docker-machine->mesos,marathon,zookeeper in docker containers->multi-container docker applications in marathon
      • b33j0r
        not all services can be truly p2p unless I'm missing something... monetization is a powerful force
      • PerilousApricot
        b33j0r: A lot of services were p2p, it's just companies with money can get developers to make their services better faster :)
      • bkc_
        b33j0r: it can be p2p :)
      • b33j0r
        I'm definitely for more better fasterest
      • fUD
        With docker-machine how do I set the timezoen of the underlying machine?
      • bkc_
        b33j0r: and freedom ;)
      • PerilousApricot
        docker-machine ssh?
      • fUD:
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      • fUD
        I mean at create time, but I guess I could ssh
      • b33j0r
        assuming that nothing like bitcoin becomes the social norm, how do you do p2p banking with the economy we currently have? wait for a post-scarcity star trek economy? :p
      • I used to work for paypal, and that's kind of what Elon had in mind... then it turned into a payment processor for Visa, Mastercard, etc
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      • bkc_
      • is an awesome project :)
      • And I hope to see it getting integrated on a kernel-level someday :)
      • erm, installed by default*
      • foul_owl
        bkc_: Debian 8
      • bkc_
        foul_owl: can you ping this? p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net
      • foul_owl
        Yes
      • bkc_
        I can pull it just fine
      • you can test it by running `gpg --keyserver hkp://p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net:80 --recv-keys 58118E89F3A912897C070ADBF76221572C52609D`
      • (it will import it to your keychain so remove it afterwads...)
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      • foul_owl
        Yes that worked
      • bkc_
        now try this: apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net:80 --recv-keys 58118E89F3A912897C070ADBF76221572C52609D
      • foul_owl
        My guess is that there is some bug in the docker install script
      • bkc_
        (ooh! and `gpg --delete-keys 58118E89F3A912897C070ADBF76221572C52609D` to remove it
      • )
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      • foul_owl
        Ok let me do that first
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      • ok nuked/undid the first operation
      • Let me try the adv one
      • apt-key command run as root, yes?
      • bkc_
        yes
      • foul_owl
        Ok that worked also
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      • bkc_
        try the curl command now
      • foul_owl
        where's the curl command?
      • in the install script?
      • bkc_
        yeah
      • erm, I meant the install script
      • curl get.docker.com...
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      • foul_owl
        Manually adding the key via apt-key first seems to have done the trick
      • Thank you
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      • bkc_
        ^.^
      • np
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      • b33j0r
        You guys have been extremely helpful, and it's been a pleasure to chat. I'll start lurking in here more often. Thanks!
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      • bkc_
        doit :)