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But it's not universal, and it's tricky to know how/when to correct people.

jezeniel: Within certain types, Django fields will definitely cast for you. But it depends on the field, and the types.

Floats and decimals are a tricky one, since floats are imprecise.

bmispelon: you don't buy the cultural argument? you're saying you can only percieve the phrase "hey guys" as referring exclusively to males?

hackedhead: I don't think that was the implication. Just that 'hey guys' is most commonly masculine by default.

hackedhead: The problem is that in general, if you don't look at a specific subculture, the word “guy” has a heavy male connotation in the English language.

Sure, but English is stupid.

koniiiik: it has an explicitly male connotation. it's a male pronoun. sure.

No disagreement there, but then again, so is any other language.

If it is guys: "Hey guys". Mixed: "Hey guys". If it is ladies only: "Hello, ladies"

Yeah, it's maybe a bit unclear if it's a connotation, or denotation. (-;

hackedhead: however, english doesn't have genderless pronouns, and as a result, at least as far as i'm aware, adopted the male pronouns to double as the generic pronoun in all cases i'm aware of.

so the premise of "correcting" someone who is using the culturally accepted generic pronoun, such as it is, always feels a little awkward.

Is it culturally accepted, though?

...Until you're in a multicultural environment. Then there needs to be some semblance of common ground.

that all said, i'm male, and so perhaps I'm not not aware of a raging hate that all females have for the mixed company phrase "hey guys"

mattmcc: i suppose that's fair.

I wonder how many times I've seen this conversation here now :P

haha

english speakers just need to adopt "y'all" more widely.

I can't do that, that's far too american deep south

"folks"

READ10, what if it only 2 ppl?

“hey people”

I dunno if you've ever heard an english dude say y'all, but it doesn't sound quite right

SuperSeriousCat: it's a small all :)

Knyght: it is, admittedly. but it's the only southern phrasing i've come to accept, since moving here from the US Northeast

so useful.

Knyght: yeah, it probably sounds a bit odd coming from me, too (ex-New Yorker)

Well, I didn't mean to turn it into a thing.. It was an underlying theme at DjangoCon US this year, and one of the speakers happened to be here, so.

That was discussed at djangocon?

Not directly.

you can also say just hi

But there was a great deal of time spent on making people welcome in the community, and preferable language is a part of that.

hackedhead: Just to point out one thing you said: “[...] raging hate that all females have [...]” – this here is the problem, in my view – incorrect use of quantifiers. d-:

koniiiik: touché ;-P

hackedhead: The key word being “all” – I'm sure you'll find many women who don't have a problem with that, but you can also find many who do.

indeed

well, i guess my point was more that I haven't encountered _any_

but that's not necessarily proving anything.

i also haven't looked.

actually, maybe this is what's bothering me: "hello friends" implies something about the relationship that isn't necessarily true for a newcomer.

"hello everyone" or "hello all" is less ... presumptive?

I've been addressed as friend by someone I just met, and it didn't bother me. :P

That's actually a good point, “hello friends” sounds a bit too familiar to me, too. It's certainly a bit in the same direction as when somebody addresses me as “bro”, though definitely not quite as far.

Interacting with people is hard.

koniiiik: and not even that, but it's perhaps going down the road of "thanks in advance", which tends to be frowned on in technical circles.

Only if people make it hard

as in getting offended easily

solidvance: "easily" is hard to quantify

solidvance: It's not necessarily a matter of getting offended, but rather of respecting the other person's boundaries.

solidvance: No, cultural differences are real.

I might be uncomfortable without being really offended per se.

Yes, what mattmcc said.

They may be... but in this case the use of "guy" was innocently used and is apparently very offensive. The person using the phrase would probably take note of it and correct their mistake in the future but isn't the damage already done?

koniiiik: i think you're right on the money too, though. it's not just "don't offend", the goal is to be _welcoming_

solidvance, I think everybody here agrees that "taking note of it and correcting their mistake in the future" is good enough

solidvance: Nobody was offended. The only consequence was a simple suggestion, for the future, to use a more generic term.

#django: sociology for the technically inclined. :-P

And then I (apparently very inadvisably) followed up with a question.

I think for the most part everyone did a decent job discussing it, while thoroughly off-topic, without getting too nutty.

Hehe, usually, this discussion plays out pretty peacefully here, at least. (-;

koniiiik: i think that means we're doing it right? =D =P

To be fair, it shouldn't be surprising that linguistics can overlap a fair bit with what coders enjoy analyzing..

i'm not getting any warning messages from csrf middleware, but when i do getLogger('django.requests').warning('Hello World') in console it works

^'django.request'

Hello.

linguistics are the cause of a lot of strife, when it comes to law-- I think laws should be defined mathematically :)

hi, vanshita!

I am new to open source and i wish to contribute in a project named Reworking Django's indexes. How do i start?

nazarewk: That sounds like an incomplete problem.. CSRF wouldnt' just be a warning, iirc. What problem are you seeing?

vanshita: I don't follow GSoC closely, but assuming you're referring to https://gist.github.com/akki/b438292c2c3cf199012f it looks like a proposal for this year's GSoC, which would've certainly concluded already.

Yeah, i am trying for this year's GSoC for the same project that you've mentioned.

concluded already?

Well, I'd probably get in touch with the author of that gist (akki) to find out what the state of things is.

vanshita: Yeah, that project was accepted, and even though I haven't followed closely, I think it was on track to get into the next release of Django.

vanshita: You might want to ask in #django-dev; akki is not there right now, but maybe somebody else will know more about the status.

vanshita: If you're still interested in contributing, I'm sure there is more work that needs to be done. There always is.

yeah, i am interested in contributing. Well, i will ask on #django-dev. Thank you

There's always more work to be done.. :)

yes. Thank you for your help :)

hey all!