#django

stupidystupidmcs: wash your mouth, please

stupidystupidmcs: this is the wrong channel to hate on django ;)

stupidystupidmcs: follow the official tutorial https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.6/intro/tut...

mattmcc: is there a way I can get on each page which result # we're looking at? for example, results_per_page=15 so on page=2 I display "showing results 16 through 30"

I suppose I could do some simple maths

i have... that tutorial isnt written for beginners... its really hard. i cant get through it

OK, set up a Virtualenv and pip install django. You have now set up django

Evanlec: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.6/topics/pa...

i tried to set up ubuntu. i cant do that either

Evanlec: page.start_index(); page.end_index()

and are you really saying the poll tutorial isn't written for beginners?

tbaxter, i mean, im a beginner, and i cant do it.

mstrcnvs: mattmcc awesome, ty

go through it again. The poll tutorial is very much written for beginners. It is not difficult.

But lets back up...

im very stupid.

Have you successfully installed django?

stupidystupidmcs: at least you managed to join irc, so your not that stupid

yes. django is installed. and postgres

everybody is stupid. just about different things. That's no excuse.

OK, good. You're well on your way.

doebi... it took me 30 minutes just to get irc working.

You ARE getting the "welcome to django" page, correct?

tbaxter, yes i have welcome to django. the next step is to set up and link the sqlite db. mine isnt linking.

it's a matter of habit, new technologies are hard to learn, by default

to everyone

tbaxter he problem not being django beginner it seems, he is beginer on whole IT thing I believe

stupidystupidmcs: sqlite or postgres?

OK. Now you need to decide if you want a sqlite db, or, since you already installed postgres, if you want to use it.

Django doesn't really care which one you use. Postgres is obviously better, but sqllite MAY be easier to set up.

i dont care which db i use. postgres looks neat. i cant get either to run

OK, so you have a problem in your DB settings?

fuyou, yes, IT beginner and stupid at life in general

sqlite much easier to begin

Tell us what error you're seeing.

You must say guys that for a very beginner setting up a sql server, create user and give privileges could be a little trivial

Weird that he must learn Django as a first project for learning Python... bad order

stupidystupidmcs as different matter, I still recommend you to learn using linux, as dev community mostly rotates around it - this helps in many ways

Django is not a good way to learn Python at all xD

Gwildorix: worked for me

fuyou, i tried to set up ubuntu today and failed utterly

Gwildorix It may, if you say know Rails or general knowbledge about dbms, web etc

True

Worked for me, too, but I agree with Gwildorix, it's much easer if you know python first.

I knew Python pretty well, but didn't knew MVC theory at all, and I really had a hard time learning Django and hated it as well, but then I learned MVC through Pylons (now Pyramid), and re-learned Dango, and now I love Django :p

stupidystupidmcs: so if you're not working in ubuntu, what are you working in?

ok, the current error i get. in the django tutorial. it wants me to sync the db. i wrote, C:\Python27\python manage.py syncdb and i get the following error - django.db.utils.OperationalError: unable to open the db file

tbax, im in wndows

stupidystupidmcs I would recommend OpenSuse for its Yast GUI manager to do many things "windows-like"

stupidystupidmcs how (did?) you config your database settings in settings.py ?

OK, two things: (1) get off windows as soon as you can figure out how to. It sucks to develop python in, and will cause you a lot of unneeded pain. Two, you may want to show your db settings files. Either the path the sqlite file is wrong, or you need to give the sqlite file permissions.

in the class we will use os x, but to get into the class i need to write an app in django

What kind if app? Just asking

Of*

stupidystupidmcs: you need to write a django app before learning django?

that's really... weird.

yes... its unfair right

is there a way to have select_related return products even if no relationships exist

I want it to return the product and any of the listed relationships if they exist

the app i need to make is... "make an app that allows users to edit, update and delete a list of contacts"

I'm sorry return results*

not products

"deploy the app live somewhere, like on a free heroku account"

stupidystupidmcs: that's like 20 lines of code

ok, that's easy, but not for a person that doesn't know python

stupidystupidmcs: that's your task before the class starts?

yes, there are two others. one was in python. i already wrote the python one

has anyone compared pycharm to django-pipeline's sass watcher?

pfff

dump that class to hells granny

really.. deploy on heroku? that's just silly

this is the python thing: Use object-oriented Python to model a public library (w/ three classes: Library, Shelf, & Book). * The library should be aware of a number of shelves. Each shelf should know what books it contains. Make the book object have "enshelf" and "unshelf" methods that control what shelf the book is sitting on. The library should have a method to report all books it contains.

i already wrote that one.

AntelopeSalad: you need a sass watcher?

and the last one is: Make a simple html page to manage Todos. It should have an input field. When the user enters text in the input field, add that input to the top of the Todo list.

mstrcnvs: nope, but i'm using both pycharm as an ide and django-pipeline to manage assets

I see

pycharm has a plugin for sass reloading but django-pipeline seems to also support doing it for you too

i was just curious if anyone compared the 2

stupidystupidmcs: fwiw, you could use a linux live distribution that can write to your hd. it will probably be much easier to work in such an environment

or a VM!

or a vm, right

yeah i tried to set up ubuntu, i cant get that to work either

stupidystupidmcs: hence the live cd

or just google a digitalocean promo code and get a free box for 1-2 months..

or use the aws free tier (pita)

nkutt, that looks really hard...

stupidystupidmcs: what looks hard?

digitalocean

i just went to the website

hence the live cd suggestion. heh, that was my first suggestion..

where you burn the ubuntu cd? i did that

ok for the db settings.. since im trying to use sqlite.. the only thing i changed was the db name - 'NAME': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'C:/Python27/retardland/mysite/database'),

i left everything else default.

stupidtstupidmcs: use os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'database.sqlite3'),