#django

yup

while im at it, does anyone know of a good django book in russian or whether the russian documentation is on par with the english?

jankowiak: yeah its basically the standard smtp server, you can't go wrong with it

If you need a cms go with mezzanine or django cms, I learned the hardway that there is no need to reinvent the wheel...

i used something called Zinnia once. that was a mistake

now just need to figure out how to get around mails sent being flagged as spam...

I am modelling a shop in django's orm, a shop run jointly by two companies; one provides the product, the other the services around it

jankowiak: well, django-cms is pretty opinionated. Not sure about mezzanine. I quite like the CMS I developed. It's worked well for two magazines and a fairly large paper. Sometimes reinventing the wheel is just what you need.

so I would like to associate most products with their related services

if a product has a related service, there is only one

jankowiak: are you sending from a domain or somewhere else that would cause mail to be flagged?

basically the mails get sent as the user filling out the contact form

how would I model that in django's orm? ForeignKey, unique=True?

OneToOneField?

jankowiak: are you the receiver?

The receiver is always the same: info@example.com

im gonna run. thanks okcomputer and jhgaylor. im going to check the book out

jankowiak: what i mean is, does the address belong to you

okcomputer: yes

jankowiak: so can't you just whitelist the domain in your email client?

IS there a way to configure Django to run on a shared hosting environment ?

the problems is that the from address is always different

it is always from the address the user sets in the contact form

to info@example.com

I only have FTP Access to the account but they say Python is supported.

There used to be a way to fix that in PHP but I can't find my bookmark to check the headers...

SStoves of course there is a way, but that's unique to your webhost

jankowiak: i see. How about changing the form so the address is in the content and all mail gets sent from the same address?

That would fix the issue for sure, not my favorite solution but it will work

thanks okcomputer

Is the preferrered method to just get it installed on the server itself versus hacking it to your folder the way you would perl modules ?

jankowiak: just change the reply-to header in the email to be the real email and have it come from contact@yourdomain.com?

I can get anything installed on the server I want.. I just need to find out the easiest method

jankowiak: that way when you hit reply in your mail client you can't forget to change the to

SStoves: theres some django specific hosts, but if your host doesn't give you ssh access you might have problems

okcomputer: What kind of problems would you have? My main brunt of python experience is addons for counterstrike and what not and those are FTP only.

SStoves: just manually running commands

okcomputer: I'm coming from the world of PHP so I'm not used to manually running commands to test them. Just proper checks and balance usage. I'm going to be using Django for my personal website as a way to learn it

achew22: thanks testing that out

SStoves: like for example the django-admin app, i don't see how you can run that without the shell

django-admin.py isn't an app. It's just a script.

tbaxter: i know, my terminology sucks

SStoves: if you just want to play with django, try running it off Heroku. It's stupidly easy. It isn't going to hold when you have a billion requests/sec but if you just want to play and don't want the hassle of figuring out how to set up a gunicorn daemon, try it out.

so does mine, most days.

achew22: I'm looking to use python as a PHP replacement due to how much faster it processes things and uses less system resources overall. At least from what I can tell from comparisions and benchmarks. I was advised by a friend to look into Django and use that.

SStoves: I tried django on a cheap host with no shell access and it was not possible to run the script to start the project so i cancelled after 1 day

okcomputer: I'm actually one of the owners of the small shared hosting company I'm on so I can get any/all access. We would just rather keep ssh locked down to just a few IP's

okcomputer: So gaining the access isn't the problem if its needed... Again, I'd just like to try and find ways to get it going w/o making it needed

for a lot of things you could deploy to a free heroku dyne

dyno* (stop auto correcting me mac!)

jhgaylor: LOL. What IRC Client are you using thats autocorrecting you? I always used Textual on my Mac

SStoves: there are django specific hosting services like heroko, and something like cloudhost

Textual rocks

SStoves: chat azure, but i have a feeling thats gonna change soon. I'm not a big fan on it

xchat azure*

can I assign a formset to a model foreign key field, so instead of selecting an foreign key, I can create a new object and use the new object as the foreign key?

okcomputer: Using KVIrc right now on my Win 7... I would suggest going to Textual jhgaylor

SStoves: brb google

jhgaylor: http://www.codeux.com/textual/

or rather, duckduckgo. burn in hell google!

I really wish they would make a Windows Port :(

textual reminds me of IrcII

I also use limechat

okcomputer: Can't you use manage.py on a web interface instead of using django-admin? Isn't it the same thing ?

I could be 100% wrong there :)

django-admin pretty much is the same as manage.py

Hey guys. I'm working on a platform with Django and Python. I need to have two different kind of users with the django auth and user system. So I'm creating two logins. One for employees, One for customers. Whats the best way to do that since Django only allows one custom user model? A oneToOneField with the User for the user profile info?

Both employee and customers will store different related information.

moneydouble: you could just create 'Customer' and 'Employee' which both have an FK to a user.

Do the users actually have different fields?

moneydouble: I would suggest one user, but they can be in an 'employee' group

mattmcc, yeah they will have different kind of information

how much different info, and how much of it is required?

i need to have two forms in the same view

Hazel-: pass the second one in context

mmm

moneydouble: better yet, employees are staff (already part of the user model)

tbaxter: but how to tell which one has been submited?

Hazel-: map each one to a different view in the form action(s)

tbaxter: so they need to point to different urls

tbaxter: All the info will be different. Like customers will store the mailing address, etc while employees will not.

isn't django-admin a manage.py wrapper or something of the sort?

There will be another type of user later on also, so 3 total.

moneydouble: if it were me, I'd have all the fields I need on one model extending auth.user, then I'd actually use the fields needed based on is_staff and/or a 'customer' group.

that's what groups are for: separating users into groups

but i want them to be in the same url and view.. is it right to tell which one has been submited looking at the POST data?

okcomputer: Kind of the other way around. django-admin just calls management commands directly, manage.py DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE and then calls the command.

okcomputer: So if you have that environment variable set, you don't even need manage.py.

Well, I thought about doing 2 flags on a custom user model. is_customer, is_employee. Then creating a profile model that stores the specific related information.

creating a profile model for customer and one for employee.

Hello everyone. I have a django web app I'm testing on a vm and for some reason randomly all my style sheets just disappears on the layout. I don't know what's causing that. This was occurring yesterday. I started up the VM a new IP was received problem cleared. Added a print statement and it's back.

mattmcc: got it, i know i read it was advised to use django-admin in place of manage.py

Does that sound ideal tbaxter? mattmcc?