#django

other than sqlite, mysql and postgresql are there any other django native backends?

jgiorgi: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/ref/datab...

Y3K: ty

jgiorgi: You're welcome.

anyone know where foreman sticks its logs?

jgiorgi: I know people who've used Oracle, MS SQL Server and Firebird

can I tell django not to create or select the 'id' property for a model?

I have a view that I am selecting from that does not have an 'id'

mike007: it needs some sort of primary key

FunkyBob: Hey bud, how you doin'?

ok

Y3K: good... y'self?

FunkyBob: Fine, trying to finish up a project before weekend.

cool

FunkyBob: yeah it seams that other than what i listed oracle is supported then there's some third party backends, it's sad to see a great framework stuck in SQL

eh?

what would you like it to support?

jgiorgi: in what way does it "suck" at SQL?

FunkyBob: i said "stuck" as in there isn't support for anything not-SQL based

oh, stuck... it's early, I've not had coffee :)

jgiorgi: well, there's django-nonrel... but the ORM is an object _Relational_ mapper

it's for mapping to (pseudo)relational stores

FunkyBob: yeah i saw that, mongo is one of the db's i use but it doesnt seem mature

yeah, well...

you don't really need the orm for that

and there's no way I'd trust mongodb or its ilk for our business

meh, you don't need an orm but you can't use any Django tool designed to use the ORM for mongo without heavy modifications

there is something to be said for wrapping something just for universal use

we could debate this ... but really ... no

you can get all excited about your "everything old is new again" DB tech... but there's still lots of cases it just doesn't suit.

a lot of people still hold this "joins are bad" attitude, which seems to stem from using MySQL

jgiorgi: There's a LINQ-for-Python-ish thing called asq. I watched a presentation on it and finally found out why you'd ever want something like that :P

odinho: ooh... I've a friend who's going to lvoe you

odinho: personally i prefer working with the mongo API directly, it's a beautiful API, but when you want to make data backends interchangeable your only choice is a wrapper, i wrote one for circuits but no large frameworks have any support for nosql

Not everyone considers interchangable database backends to be something worth having.

jgiorgi: please stop saying "nosql" when you mean "nonrel"

NoSQL is a relational DBMS that uses a query language other than SQL

Different DBs have different strengths, and only the most trivial applications truly don't care which DB they're talking to.

FunkyBob: actually i mean NoSQL, whether it is relational or not i'm refering to support for a database that doesnt use sql as it's query language

FunkyBob: Uh, ... and to what do I owe that pleasure? I did not write asq as I didn't even understand what LINQ did before that presentation.

odinho: no, I've a friend [my original Python guru] who has had to work in C#... and feels the one thing it has over Python is LINQ

mattmcc: i disagree with that, i would say a lot of data storage tasks can be abstracted to a level where it's irrelevant how the data is being stored

FunkyBob: Lots of people say that, and I have never understood why. But I do now. After listening to a guy praise it for 1.5 hours and showing his start on something like that for Python.

mattmcc: ah, the ol' "horses for courses" argument :)

FunkyBob: It doesn't transform everything to AST and do compile and optimization steps on it like C# LINQ though. But there was nothing really stopping it, except for it being hard and hacky.

jgiorgi: At a cost of performance, sure. You can store GIS data in an Excel spreadsheet, but why would you want to when there's PostGIS?

Is it realistic to abstract GeoDjango to DBs that lack GIS layers? Not in my book, no.

Hi, I am trying to install django_wiki following the install guide. But when I try to sync the DBs I get an error saying that theres no module called notify, even tho I have installed django_notify with pip. Any ideas why this is happening?

[Tastypie problem] Following the EntryResource / AuthorResource example at the bottom of http://django-tastypie.readthedocs.org/en/lates..., I see my foreign key field in my json result, but the value is "", I'm certain that the foreign key is populated for this instance. Any ideas?

** solved

see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6925006/tast...

Ahoy. I seem to remember there being some Django thing that makes it so that when you fetch an object from the database, it gives you the most specific possible subclass instead of the class you queried.

tswett: You're probably thinking of django-model-utils.

tWoolie: or django-polymorphic

mattmcc: yeah, that's it! Thanks.

does anyone have any recommendations on how to handle internationalized media? e.g. different banner images used depending on the language?

a while back i wrote a context processor that would set MEDIA_PATH = MEDIA_PATH + LANGUAGE_CODE + '/'

so you could put media in /path/to/media/{en-us,de}/

i was wondering if anyone else has thought up an elegant solution

tswett: I ended up having to reverse engineer that... it's realy quite elegant

Hi, I just asked a question but got disconnected. So I installed django-notify and add it to my installed_apps but now sync-ing my dbs I get a "cannot import name notify" error. Any ideas why? If I open a python shell I can't import notify but I can import django_notify

usbar: then that's the problem

seems like a wrong name

FunkyBob: But I installed django-notify with pip and on the installed apps list I have 'django_notify' not sure why django is looking for notify and not django_notify

usbar: well, _what_ exactly is looking for notify?

if I pass a list to a template through render, can i access each element with list[x]?