#django

well, Drupal does serve it's purpose and it may be the right tool for some sites, but the sites that I developed on Drupal usually require me to work and think the "Drupal Way", whereas Django seems to work for you.

hi all, is it normal that django's EmailField is case sensitive ? this is weird

fcgi is what is available on my server, site5

is_null: some email software is case sensitive

that's not standard

what host do you use to deploy?

michaelfillier: i use uwsgi on my servers but i like pythonanywhere.com

is_null: maybe not, but some email software is case-sensitive, so...

supporting broken software is broken by definition

maybe you're talking about something like outlook express '97

"The local-part of a mailbox MUST BE treated as case sensitive. Therefore, SMTP implementations MUST take care to preserve the case of mailbox local-parts" - rfc2821

is_null: looks like it is part of the standard

could you provide an example ?

wow pythonanywhere.com looks great, do you host your static and media files with them too, or use a cdn?

michaelfillier: I don't know anybody using pythonanywhere, sry

is_null: an example of what? the RFC says that the local part (before the @ sign in other words) must be treated as case-sensitive - I don't see what else there is to say

the rfc also allows comments in email adresses

what? I want a comment in mine!

oh

superdmp: you can actually encode the whole mail body in the email address

did you just mean commas apollo13?

probably no mta will like that

no comments

cool!

no so cool :þ

Are you guys ever renaming the default ".objects"? for models?

yes

apollo13: so you end up with something like Entry.entries.all() right?

eraldo: I probably wouldn't name it entries and I normally don't do it (unless I have a reason for it)

apollo13: why would you do that ?

oh

like Entry.published.all() which would prefilter to published articles

yeah sometimes its necessary

but he meant the default manager

neccessary not really, but it's nice sometimes imo

apollo13: hm.. I did rename them like that and now I have troubles due to my code not being very generic (refacturing)

eraldo: hehe, yeah, don't rename it unless you have a actual reason

apollo13: Would you be so kind as to enlighten me with some cases where you do or why (roughly)

eraldo: well eg if I add a new manager which prefilters entries to only show published ones

apollo13: > Entry.published.all() ?

eraldo: for instance yes

apollo13: ..hm I wrote one manager ("EntriesManager": .entries) ..having two methods .all() .owned() and .assigned() ..but that forces me to substitute every .object with .entries which is confusing.

apollo13: can I instead extend the .objects Manager to include .objects.owned() ..etc?

eraldo: yes

just extend your manager and do objects = MyManager()

apollo13: sounds better.. thank you. :)

hmm, what does Django's staticfile sender actually do, btw? does it read&chunk&write or what?

nanonyme: well it uses django's streaming stuff in 1.5, but not chunked

hmm

apollo13, I kinda meant chunked as in it's not read completely to memory but written chunk by chunk

nanonyme: according to the sourcecode yes ;)

if not, I probably should just write my own view if I want Django to handle static files on Heroku

nanonyme: why don't you just look at the source or believe me :þ

because cell phone is awkward to browse source codes with

hihi, then just trust me :þ

so what does streaming imply here?

that not the whole file is read into memory

btw didn't we have that discussion a few days ago

nope, not quite

close to it though

haha

that time I found out about StreamingHttpResponse which is pretty neat

;)

but you can still feed it input data in multiple ways. smart way would be using the chunk size from io module, me thinks

nanonyme: django doesn't care as long as it's iterable

In my template, I'd like to use the output of {% url myview %} in another tag...is this possible?

srj55: {% url myview as blabla %}

apollo13, yeah but if you want to actually send a *file*, you should at least use disk block size

nanonyme: rofl

ever heard of diskcaches?

the os probably has the whole file in cache before you send a byte ;)

I wouldn't care about that at all, unless it actually is a problem

apollo13, awesome! thanks!

apollo13, most likely not unless it's actually a very tiny file

nanonyme: as said, useless optimizations

hell if you are after performance what are you doing with heroku?

how so?