#django

floats are imprecise...there are some values they just can not represent

Decimal is able to accurately represent decimal values

from decimal import Decimal

docs say if i don't set handler404, django will use my 404.html page in my template dir, correcT?

lyrae: correct... the default handler404 uses that

so basically, all i have to do to use a custom 404 view, is create 404.html

no

views and templates are different things

you can create a custom 404 template

oh

and tell the default 404 handler to use it?

a custom 404 view would require writing a view and setting it as handler404

the defailt 404 view will use 404.html

default

alright ill try

okay so invoice_amount_exvat = str(Decimal(invoice_details.invoice.invoiceamount.replace(',','.')) * Decimal('0.8'))

wait

monstermusan: why doesn't your invoice store the amount as a Decimal already?

what type _is_ it stored as?

its c5

c5?

what is c5?

more explosive than c4?

dynamics c5

semtex

smaller version than navision

monstermusan: huh?

it comes from a web api

and they pass prices as strings?

it o

it cm

aaaah

what sort of butt-fuckery is this?

monstermusan: so you do some kind of integration with a 3rd party right?

it comes from a soap thingy

SOAP? this just gets worse and worse

and they don't have a way to pass proper types in their XSD?

or are you just not deserialising properly?

dynamics c5 is an M$ thingie

Hi. I registered my latest model with the admin, and it shows up in the admin, but it doesn't show up in the list of permissions that I can give to users or groups. What do I need to do to update the permission list?

FunkyBob: i think they return it as a string, i am using suds

linelevel, afaik it should be there by default

look harder - it must be there

lawgon: Yes, that's always been the case for me as well.. which is why I'm confused by this.

lawgon: no.. I'm not blind :) ...it's relaly not there.

really*

reload the page - clear your browser cache - buy spectacles ;-)

lawgon: yes, of course I tried those things already. Restarted the server, opened in a fresh browser instance with no cache. It's actually not there.

i know very little about suds, but it returns an object or something similar

tbh i still understand very little about python

i mostly just hit the keyboard and at some point it will write some code i can use.

if you've given suds the WSDL/XSD from the service, it _should_ be able to convert types for you

i have

at least i think i have

i gave it a url and a location

url is wsdl and location is something else

:P

of course, since most SOAP libs are pathetically incapable of handling more than a fraction of the XSD data types...

they probably _are_ sending values as strings

however, Decimal can take strings directly... it's very good at that

suds ftw, it's the only useable soap lib imo

php soap rocks

:S

not

monstermusan: soap sucks, php doesn't change much there :þ

but if soap sucks and php sucks and the php soap lib sucks

then it pretty much sucks

yep

whats wrong with soap

php is a war against the platform, so the code looks like a battlefield

well web servuces anyway

eltigre: if you use proper coding standard its okay i think

i like python alot more

python is about making love to the platform, so a good django project looks like porn

only problem python/django is harder to deploy

harder than what?

Becoming an expert in PHP is a process of learning how to write good apps despite the language's design.

than using somethingas dangerous as mod_php

mattmcc: +1

monstermusan: mod_wsgi is pretty dead simple.

WSGIScriptAlias, done.

it really depends on the engineer, but the language makes the differences extremer

i've been doig php for 7years and there's no way to become an expert in that

gunicorn is simpler

apt-get install php and you are running

the devs are not consistant

I agree that gunicorn is simpler

I mean for example some python 3 projects will look terrifying what with all the chinese character identifiers and all ;-)

Eh, I considered myself a PHP expert after 9 years, and that was before there was such a thing as a PHP web framework.

but for some reason, i find php easier to pickup than python

it took me the better part of a day to setup django on my webserver

yes php is easier... much less concepts to get into your brain

and make the code autoreload so i didnt have to restart apache each time i made a chang

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monstermusan: That's what the runserver is for.

php is good entry level thing to pull people into using open source

but i dont like to work locally

php is a really good script-kiddy language

monstermus, you use ftp to upload your php code? or some vcs?

and you can get away easily without any devops or sophisticated software design

i use ftp just to be gay

mostly we develop on client machines where vcs was not possible

monstermusan: uhm…

its better to develop using a test setup, making sure it works and then commit to live version

however in php its often not a choice you do

that's a lame excuse

you can do devops in php

but if you care about devops you usually don't feel that comfortable about php anyway...

for the systems we made its often not viable

since most projects only take 3-4 days

using chef with php is sort of a strange fit

i will not defent the way i use/used php, because i simply dont know better

i have no idea what devops is

no problem, I don't want to bash php too much. I just don't like it personally and I think it can get under your skin ^ ^

monstermusan, sort of using repositories, deployments, testing environments and then automating everything with scripting, maybe including some scrum or project management, that's devops to me

i like php, but i love python

and I'm not that much into it though I think I should be

for example chef, fabric, pip and virtualenv fall into that category

eltigre: yeah i think thats good for larger projects or projects that thats ongoing

monstermus, vcs is a must even for a hello world app

but often we needed to change a few pages on a webshop which took a day

if you really know what you are doing you can roll stuff out really fast... I mean you just have a default fabric template and requisition another slice or machine and the site is up