#bitcoin-wizards

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      • kanzure
        but really- my request for -wizards logs was genuine. early 2014 stuff is missing. and i don't know when the channel was actually started. i have some 2013 logs but not before.
      • whoops i mean mid 2014 stuff is missing
      • zooko
        tromp: so
      • gmaxwell
        andytoshi: ^
      • zooko
        tromp: was the benchmark which rated your GTX 980 as about as good as an i7, was that running 8 parallel instances of Cuckoo on the GTX 980?
      • kanzure
        ah correction: i do have all 2014 logs, but not pre-2013 logs.
      • gmaxwell: it was andytoshi's logs from 2013 that i have.
      • gmaxwell
        oh well then you have the start
      • before then -wizards was #bitcoin-dev and private messages between myself and petertodd.
      • kanzure
        this is like scraping the bottom of a nice cream bowl
      • hm okay..
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      • andytoshi
        early 2014 i think i was not involved with bitcoin heavily, sorry
      • but petertodd gave me some logs that i thought covered that era..
      • kanzure
        yeah i was mistaken, sorry about that
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      • andytoshi
        apparently not, just january
      • oh, sorry, never mind, i was not reading all the scrollback
      • kanzure
        i have your logs 2013 to 2014-03-12, then i have my own logs from 2014-02-23 to now, and i had a logbot starting around 2014-10-19 and that's why i thought i was missing 2014-03-12 to 2014-10-19
      • andytoshi
        excellent
      • kanzure
        log reading is going as planned
      • i definitely don't have old #bitcoin-dev logs... mine only go back to 2013-03-11 (surprise surprise).
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      • i might have to limit the irc log reading to "interesting sections" defined by bursts of messages in a time period, because reading a 105 MB irc log file is not so easy.
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      • Luke-Jr
        mine probably go back to 2011 Jan
      • kanzure
        i'll figure out a way to read ~50 million words of logs if you hand them over?
      • Luke-Jr
        do I have to? :P
      • gmaxwell
        careful that your IRC client doesn't log PMs in random channels.
      • Luke-Jr
        gmaxwell: it does :<
      • only ones I send though
      • (eg, via /msg)
      • gmaxwell
        right.
      • irssi does
      • sipa: that failure is because benchsign does not re-increase the buffer size in the loop.
      • this is something of an API footgun-- a downside of an inout argument-- that maybe we should call out...
      • an adequate fix is
      • - int siglen = 74; for (i = 0; i < 20000; i++) {
      • + int siglen = 74;
      • oh well assuming my irc client hadn't butchered that. :)
      • damnit wrong channel
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      • kanzure
        "A working implementation of fully homomorphic encryption" http://eurocrypt2010rump.cr.yp.to/9854ad3cab489...
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      • in this proposal, transactions are automatically forced into sidechains or other chains https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12348.0
      • smooth
        kanzure: interesting find
      • I dont think this is correct really: "So to verify that a given transaction is valid, you'd have to have access to all the block chains"
      • with a tree structure you could restrict transactions to only span one level up or down
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      • gmaxwell
        that post doesn't seem very useful to me? it looks like its saying they can never merge again if there is more than 1MB of data off to the side?!
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      • smooth
        gmaxwell: i think by merge it means that one new block would have two parents, allowed if the sum the sizes of both parent chains was <1 MB for 1000 blocks
      • maybe that means average or something, hard to say, and probably never thought out
      • gmaxwell
        not sure how to grade proposals like that on our list. Like.. I'm not sure what it means well enough to say anything about it.
      • ryan-c
        if anyone wants to see it, my defcon talk about breaking brainwallets is up on youtube https://youtu.be/foil0hzl4Pg
      • gmaxwell
        ryan-c you're about 5 hours behind me. :)
      • ryan-c
        gmaxwell: did you already post the link?
      • gmaxwell
        15:39 < gmaxwell> ryanc's defcon presentation is up: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3j55q...
      • ryan-c
        ah, that did not match my grep
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      • kanzure
        is there any chance of probabilistic payments + payment channels working?
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      • also:
      • 20:32 <@gmaxwell> I argue a specific commitment structure where miners, armed with a succinct ZKP for NP statements, create blocks which provide only an update to the UTXO set, and a constant size proof that the new utxo set was an authorized modification according to some unspecified number of undisclosed transactions.
      • 20:33 <@gmaxwell> It's lovely, except for the current infeasability of running ECDSA verification in the prover unless we don't mind 12 hour blocks. :)
      • with payment channels already setup i don't think i'd mind 12 hour blocks
      • plus someone convinced rusty that channel setup can be (trustlessly) "subsidized" by hubs for users waiting to get utxos
      • also i think there was a proposal made somewhere "recently" about large multisig pools (using fancypants signature schemes) being onboarded on to lightning network, without causing utxo bloat? i don't know where i saw that.
      • rusty
        kanzure: hmm, I didn't see that...
      • kanzure
        well that's troubling, i was about to blame you for that one too
      • maybe aj
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      • aj
        it was not me, perhaps the one armed man?
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      • kanzure
        etotheipi proposal about a merkle tree based on addresses and unspents: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52859.m...
      • but doesn't help with mining limits...