#devuan

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      • freem
        I have no idea about where the problem lies, though. It may be the build system, it may be the code architecture, it may be the code... I do not know.
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      • underd0g
        guys
      • i have a strange problem
      • when i want to install kernel headers apt asks for install cd
      • freem
        cd?
      • underd0g, what do you mean, it asks you to install cd?
      • fsmithred
        comment out the cdrom line in sources.list
      • but make sure you have some repository enabled
      • freem
        ah, nice spot, fsmithred
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      • underd0g
        I have repos enabled
      • when I install other packages
      • it goes a ok
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      • only when i try fetching kernel headers , it pops up the cd prompt
      • i know i can comment the cd out
      • but that's kinda half-solution
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      • I want to know why it asks for cd in the first place
      • bozonius
        palemoon on jessie? backports?
      • fsmithred
        no palemoon
      • underd0g
        palemoon is shi*
      • bozonius
        so just firefox and chrome
      • jonadab
        palemoon is too much like Firefox.
      • Use Seamonkey.
      • underd0g
        outdated firefox
      • bozonius
        I want something that is not *zilla*
      • underd0g
        but it is
      • just outdated
      • i use chromium
      • jonadab
        Seamonkey keeps its rendering engine up-to-date. It just doesn't pointlessly rearrange the UI every three days.
      • underd0g
        I installed palemoon and removed
      • jonadab
        Chromium is basically Chrome. Copying that is what made Firefox terrible.
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      • MinceR
        at least chrom{e,ium} doesn't force poetteringaudio on the user
      • bozonius
        what MinceR said
      • freem
        underd0g, the system will ask you to insert CD-rom if there is a source in your sources that provides the most up-to-date version of a package you wan't to install
      • MinceR, neither does FF here.
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      • anyway, I doubt everyone going to chromium is a good thing, software-politically speaking.
      • bozonius
        new google-chrome-stable... coincidence?
      • installing...
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      • MinceR
        the "modern" web needs to die
      • Xenguy
        Sounds interesting, but I missed any convo before your comment
      • Do you mean the privacy killing 'modern' web, or the javascript infested web we now live in, or ...?
      • Ads?
      • MinceR
        the practice of a bunch of hypertext taking up all of the resources of a high-end PC
      • freem
        MinceR, I'm all with you. Any plan?
      • MinceR
        loading and running pointless javascript from 9001 domains without asking the user
      • underd0g
        it's not pointless
      • Xenguy
        MinceR: Yeah, so JS I assume
      • underd0g
        it's there to track you , to classify you
      • MinceR
        i'm planning to develop a browser replacement with support for client-side scripts (from a repo) to extract data from difficult sites (kind of like youtube-dl for html)
      • Xenguy
        true
      • MinceR
        underd0g: not only
      • underd0g
        the "modern web" ain't going away
      • MinceR
        also to display really flashy graphics
      • underd0g
        it's not about the web
      • MinceR
        and to annoy you with audio and video you never asked for
      • Xenguy
        MinceR: I like the idea
      • underd0g
        it's the brave new world
      • MinceR
        heat up your cpu and gpu, make you waste power
      • underd0g
        everything made to control you
      • Xenguy
        underd0g: resistance is never completely futile
      • underd0g
        to condition you
      • Xenguy
        sure
      • freem
        MinceR, you do think you are able to implement a beast able to do JS interpretation in a safe and clean way? Really?
      • underd0g
        resistance is not futile only in the sense that you're feeling alive cus you're fighting
      • but the fight against the society id in vain
      • humanity is lost
      • Xenguy
        Sometimes the sum becomes more than it's parts
      • freem
        Xenguy, resistence is not futile
      • underd0g
        it is
      • Xenguy
        Unexpected efficiencies etc.
      • underd0g
        we are all just consumers to the society
      • not human beings
      • MinceR
        freem: no, i'd settle for being able to extract content where it's dependent on js and just leaving out css support when that's enough
      • Xenguy
        freem: I agree, but in the end it doesn't matter cos I would feel better at least; sometimes delusion can be useful too?
      • freem
        Xenguy, resistence must be made, in that case, by convincing people to stop writing bloatwares. Which is probably near impossible.
      • MinceR
        freem: like some blogger pages like to force you to enable js to fetch any content at all
      • freem
        MinceR, so, how do you plan to guess which content is desirable, and which is not? Censorchip?
      • Xenguy
        freem: It's like letting the genie out of the bottle, which is the eternal march of, ahem, *progress*
      • MinceR
        maybe even cancerflare's js checking could be fooled somehow
      • freem: i do not
      • Xenguy
        It's hard to put back in the bottle, if not impossible
      • freem
        Xenguy, the only way I know, is to show people by doing it that it's possible to live more free
      • without that genie
      • Xenguy
        Exactly. Web site doesn't render cos JS is required? Skip it.
      • I just cut them loose as clueless
      • freem
        on the other hand, I'll be happy to learn about a new browser that allows me to whitelist which websites are allowed to use JS.
      • one existed in the past, but it changed.
      • Xenguy
        freem: That's what NoScript does (FF or Pale Moon add-on)
      • MinceR
        chromium seems to have js whitelisting built in
      • (per-site permissions include javascript)
      • freem
        Xenguy, I can not consider a software on which you have to remove features by adding others a good software.
      • firefox is the biggest lie of the software worl, in my strong opinion.
      • Xenguy
        You don't like Noscript?
      • freem
        I do not like firefox
      • noscript is a workaround
      • Xenguy
        I've switched to PM now, on a test basis
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      • bozonius
        "PM?"
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      • Xenguy
        Pale Moon
      • bozonius
        oh
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      • Fail Moon
      • Xenguy
        It still supports traditional add-ons
      • bozonius: It seems to attract strong opinions, but so far, it's working for me
      • (Literally, at work)
      • gnarface
        when does the copyright die on the brand name "Netscape?"
      • bozonius
        I can take it or leave it, really. I think it tries too hard to look and act like a mobile app, but that's just my take
      • gnarface
        someone needs to fork an old copy of seamonkey updated with a fresh copy of gecko and just call it Netscape again
      • and then stop breaking it
      • Xenguy
        bozonius: Mobile is a whole other space, not one I bother with too much
      • MinceR
        i suspect old seamonkey is incompatible with new gecko
      • Xenguy
        gnarface: That kind of coding is way over my head (I respect the PM guys for even trying)
      • MinceR
        even pale moon required work to port things, and they started with relatively recent failfox/gecko
      • Xenguy
        They forked gecko I think
      • bozonius
        xenguy: That wasn't my point. I am just saying that there is no reason why a desktop app should try to look like a mobile app
      • especially if it comes at the cost of a clumsier interface for the user and possibly unnecessary graphics processing to achieve that
      • MinceR
        yes they did
      • Xenguy
        bozonius: Example? You're not ringing any bells here.
      • bozonius
        the only versions I've used so far, PM had this one menu icon on the upper left, just like on a mobile app. I had to learn how to browse all over again.
      • newer versions may be friendlier, but I haven't tried any lately
      • Xenguy
        That's everywhere now AFAICT
      • freem
        good night
      • Xenguy
        nn
      • MinceR
        gn freem
      • bozonius
        I don't think ff or chrome or even opera really look that way to me
      • MinceR
        i don't mind replacing the menu with something that takes up less space
      • bozonius
        but I suppose opinions will vary
      • MinceR
        i moved my buttons and location bar into the menu bar before firefox supported it
      • bozonius
        but why on the left, and why so large? it's almost like they were scaling a mobile app-looking thing to work on a desktop
      • MinceR
        dunno
      • Xenguy
        I haven't noticed this aspect; to me PM is just a slightly more retro interface, but works great so far
      • bozonius
        like I said, different strokes
      • MinceR
        maybe you can move it though
      • bozonius
        idk, and it won't help me on devuan, where I was hoping to use a more reliable browser (w/r/t microphone support on alsa)
      • MinceR
        even on opera it was possible to create a button that had the main menu pop up as its secondary function
      • freem
        hum, sorry, had to read text before attempting going out... how do you intend to test that a *browser* is able to act as a *phone* bozonius?
      • MinceR
        WebRTC? :>