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      • Se7en
        I keep having dificulty with swap space
      • I don't know the reason nor if it is a well-known bug
      • But it beaks apt
      • And therefore hinders kernel upgrades
      • gnarface
        you mean you don't have enough swap?
      • Se7en
        Apt reports that idon't have enough space left on the device
      • gnarface
        well that doesn't sound like a swap problem
      • Se7en
        And due to other things happening (such as dameons seg faulting) I also assume that it is linked to swap space
      • gnarface
        that seems like a strange assumption
      • did you check to see if there's actually enough space left on the non-swap part of the device? keep in mind ext4 reserves 5% by default...
      • Se7en
        Well I have confirmed that Swap fills up nonetheless. Also my computer just froze for 3 minutes while I was talking to you
      • gnarface
        yikes
      • that might be a separate issue, with or without a related cause
      • Se7en
        It appears that the system has dificulty with allocation of space
      • gnarface
        df -h
      • see anything with over 90% usage?
      • Se7en
        I keep having to clear swap using bleachbit
      • /dev/mapper/workstation--vg-var 2.7G 2.4G 193M 93% /var
      • gnarface
        not good
      • something is causing that
      • probably
      • well, it might just be a bit small too
      • mine is 2.5G
      • oh that's apt-cache
      • Se7en
        ZMine is 2.7G
      • gnarface
        there's some way to tell apt to use less ram anyway
      • apt or apt-get
      • i forget exactly how
      • Se7en
        I usually run apt
      • not apt-get
      • The big thing is
      • Is this only my comp or is it due to a bug with the beta OS
      • Usually the first dameon to segfualt because of this is the tor dameon
      • gnarface
        oh, no i think something is quite wrong with your setup, that's my guess, but i don't know for sure
      • the problem you seem to be having, i've only seen with either a memory leak or just not enough ram (less than 250 *megabytes*)
      • Se7en
        gnarface, not a problem with I have 512 MiB
      • oops
      • gnarface
        512MB?
      • Se7en
        yeah
      • I used to have 2.5GB but one of the ram sticks fried
      • gnarface
        might still be too low these days, could be pushing it... google that apt option
      • Se7en
        So now I'm back down to 512
      • gnarface
        there is an apt option that will make it operate with less ram
      • the problem is it's assuming you've got more ram than the downloaded cache of updates, or something like that
      • like it tries to do too much at once
      • you don't want /var/ filling up either though, keep an eye on that
      • Se7en
        It apparently is storing the cache in /var/tmp
      • gnarface
        yea
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      • it might actually be /var/ filling up
      • not your ram
      • Se7en
        What do
      • gnarface
        i think that option should still fix it
      • but all i can do is google for you
      • alternately you could resize /var/ to give it more space in theory
      • but i don't recommend that just yet
      • google does show ubuntu users having what seems to be the same issue
      • what happens if you run "apt-get clean" first then try it again?
      • Se7en
        It deletes a whole bunch of cached things
      • I already ran bleachbit
      • gnarface
        apt-get upgrade still runs out of space though?
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      • is there a pending update to apt?
      • what if you just upgrade that first?
      • it's not /var/lib/apt/lists/partial filling up is it?
      • NewGnuGuy
        can you apt-get autoremove ?
      • Se7en
        I'll have to wait until it happens again
      • As the whole thing has been rectified
      • Since I ran bleachbit
      • NewGnuGuy
        Se7en: Is your /boot directory on its own partition?
      • Se7en
        It should be
      • Yea
      • i think it is
      • NewGnuGuy
        I was having insufficient disk space problems recently and it turned out that each time I upgraded my kernel, apt would put another kernel version in my /boot partition without touching any of the existing kernel versions causing /boot to run out of space. Don't know I this is at all like what you are experiencing but here it is.
      • Se7en
        Might be happening
      • But I can autoremove the old kernel and it disapears from grub
      • NewGnuGuy
        apt-get autoremove is what I think fixed it for me
      • gnarface
        my /var is 11GB
      • :-/
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      • tomg2
        I have 62 GiB in /var, mostly Debian packages. I'm using Debian, but I am really anti-systemd. So I use sysvinit and I guess I'm starting to hang around here.
      • golinux
        tomg2: Welcome!
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      • tomg2
        golinux: thank you. and I was in OFTC #debian and I talked about being pro-sysvinit a little there. and I was in #linuxmint-chat on their official network and though everyone was very nice they main suggestion was that I come here
      • I think they don't really know or worry much about init systems in the #linuxmint-chat channel, but I'm staying on the OFTC network for now too
      • golinux
        Nice to know that they're funneling like-minded folks our way.
      • parazyd
        indeed :)
      • golinux
        parazyd: Your're still up?
      • parazyd
        just woke up :)
      • 8am here
      • golinux
        Ah! I'm up late
      • parazyd
        hahaha
      • golinux
        Yeah just did the time conversion in my head.
      • parazyd
        i added a little screencast here
      • tomg2
        yeah this one guy knew of these channels. I'd been here before but I didn't think of coming here to talk about that stuff again for some reason
      • I think his name was Veed