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      • Centurion_Dan
        Technically that's today for me ;-)
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      • So... we have proposals to default to disable the installing "Recommends" in Devuan.
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      • furrywolf
        sounds like a configurable option that should be configured during install or with a reconfigure of something.
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      • I'd say the non-advanced install should default to installing recommends, so new users end up with fully-featured systems.
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      • <furrywolf> sounds like a configurable option that should be configured during install or with a reconfigure of something.
      • <furrywolf> I'd say the non-advanced install should default to installing recommends, so new users end up with fully-featured systems.
      • anyone skilled enough to want a stripped-down system will do the advanced install, and tell it no.
      • Centurion_Dan
        If there is strong support for it we could add a question to the expert installer, but even then we'd have to at least verify that a minimal install could be achieved before entertaining that idea. Anyway, not before Jessie release.
      • furrywolf
        I'd say default to installing recommends, then.
      • that's something that'll cause far more annoyance to new users if it doesn't than it will to skilled users if it does.
      • Centurion_Dan
        absolutely!
      • furrywolf
        question: are we making changes directly to jessie, or making changes to ascii and then moving them to jessie? that is, does ascii have every improvement jessie gets, and do things get tested before going in jessie?
      • Centurion_Dan
        that depends. Where we simply rebuild packages for Jessie, they can go straight in, but where we're making changes in behaviour that aren't core related to excising the systemd infection they either go through ascii or can come in through jessie-updates.
      • furrywolf
        that explains why my ascii box seems to lag behind jessie, not the other way around. :)
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      • I've kinda given up on it... ascii is a little over-broken for desktop use.
      • Centurion_Dan
        Ascii may well be behind Jessie because a stable jessie is the focus at the moment. We need to catch up on Ascii and Ceres too, but they're much faster moving targets and until we can automate detection of changes we're going to find it too hard to keep up.
      • furrywolf
        are we allowed to package software exclusively for devuan? I wrote a program to monitor Outback solar products (they communicate over rs232), that I might at some point get to a releaseable state... and I'd much rather not contribute to debian. :)
      • I'd love to have a web page that said to please install devuan if you want to apt-get the package... :)
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      • detha
        fwiw, I have never seen anything in the 'recommends' that I would even remotely want to install. If I wanted a kitchen sink, I'd run ubuntu+systemd.
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      • Centurion_Dan
        detha: I doubt that
      • and even if that's the case, even though I've been a long time debian user in general I'd rather have recommends then not even for server setups. There are instances where I want to be explicit, but in most cases I
      • am happy to have recommends.
      • detha
        Different folks, different strokes. I like to have as little as possible on a machine, under the 'what isn't there cannot break' philosopy
      • (admittedly I may be an extreme case - a lot of my centos6 kickstarts have %packages --nobase)
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      • ryuujin
        hi
      • KatolaZ
        hi ryuujin
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      • fsmithred
        KatolaZ, I have a question about your microdevuan scripts. If I start with an i386 qemu image, can I have the scripts create amd64 iso?
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      • KatolaZ
        fsmithred: nope
      • I mean
      • fsmithred
        hi
      • KatolaZ
        in microdevuan the final image is more or less the exact copy of the qemu image you use as a base
      • hi
      • fsmithred
        ok, thanks
      • I'm reading over the scripts, trying to understand what it does.
      • and if there's anything there I want to use.
      • KatolaZ
        if by qemu image you mean the file you have to put in QEMU_IMG_NAME
      • basically
      • the whole thing was based on qemu images
      • I constructed the distro by ssh-ing into an existing qemu image
      • fsmithred
        so you're starting with an installed system on a virtual disk?
      • or an empty disk?
      • KatolaZ
        and setting the package list appropriately
      • wait
      • what do you mean?
      • fsmithred
        I don't understand where the system comes from.
      • example:
      • with live-build, you start with nothing, and it creates the system that gets put into the iso
      • KatolaZ
        in microdevuan you needed to have an existing qemu image
      • with a bootable system
      • fsmithred
        with refractasnapshot, you start with an installed sytsem
      • ok
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      • KatolaZ
        ok, you should start from an installed system, in this sense
      • fsmithred
        I'll have to play with it before I really understand it.
      • KatolaZ
        only, the installed system is into a qemu image
      • ok, but don't get too much in love with it, since ,most of that stuff has been superseeded by the new sdk
      • fsmithred
        lol, ok
      • KatolaZ
        which if much easier to use and customise
      • fsmithred
        is that similar?
      • KatolaZ
        mmmhhhh
      • not that much
      • I mean,
      • fsmithred
        should I spend my time looking at that instead?
      • KatolaZ
        some stuff from microdevuan has been (and is going to be) merged into sdk
      • I suggest you just wait a couple of weeks
      • fsmithred
        np
      • KatolaZ
        for the new SDK to be ready
      • anyway
      • most of the mechanisms for distro configuration used in microdevuan
      • have been merged into sdk
      • and will work more or less similarly
      • fsmithred
        sounds good.
      • KatolaZ
        only, in the new SDK you will have the option to work on a chroot or on a qemu image
      • fsmithred
        ok
      • KatolaZ
        to select different ways of configuring your system
      • and to do much more with less coding
      • :)
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      • anyway, feel free to have a look at microdevuan
      • fsmithred
        thanks
      • KatolaZ
        and to ask questions